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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What is the stance on those assurances now?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Dr. Wall will have heard the expression about closing the door when the horse has gone.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Dr. Wall does not accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I thank the Chair. My time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: A red flag was raised in August 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: We are dealing with taxpayers' money, or Dr. Wall is.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: The flag was raised when the Dunnes site was purchased. It looks like the HEA took its eye off the ball.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What was the oversight?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Could the Cathaoirleach give members who were also here on that occasion the opportunity to come in on that point?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: From what I am hearing and even observing, I cannot help but think it does appear the process was followed as a box-ticking exercise in order for a valid contract to emerge and be signed as quickly as possible. With regard to signing the contract, with hindsight, would Professor Kilcommins sign that same contract today?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is fine and that is the answer I was expecting. I understand Professor Laffan was only appointed as chancellor in November 2023. I want to come back to what was said with regard to the previous PAC meeting. What did Professor Kilcommins hear at that meeting that he did not know before that gave rise to him becoming concerned?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Did Professor Kilcommins not raise concerns as to why he was here to answer for Rhebogue? As stated to our chairman previously, Mr. Flaherty was in the hotel with Professor Kilcommins the night before the meeting, on the morning of the meeting and after the meeting. Why was he not here to answer for Rhebhogue?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is not what the president told us. When asked, the president said that he had a long-standing engagement and was not available. We took that in good faith. This is a statutory committee. My understanding is that was a blatant lie, if what Professor Kilcommins is saying is true.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What way would you like me to frame it? It is a blatant mistruth.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: If the president said one thing and Professor Kilcommins is now attesting to another-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I want to know the reason behind it.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: It was not corrected until today, from what I know. I do not ever recall it being corrected or that there was a correction to the record. Was there a correction, Chair?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Not that I am aware of either.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: It may be but what is certainly not the position is that officers who should be here would avoid being here for any reason that is not divulged correctly. Does Professor Kilcommins believe the reason he was given to be true? Was that a plausible reason? Was there a disclosure?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is that completed?

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