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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Does Ms McNally accept what I am saying?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Now Ms McNally is back to defending Bus Éireann. This is the same Department that has extended the medical requirement. Ms McNally's whole premise is that Bus Éireann has said medical evidence is what determines whether someone over the age of 70 is unsafe.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: The Road Safety Authority is the body that recommended we remove the medical requirement. Ms McNally should not tell me to read research if she is not reading it herself. This is contrary evidence. In this Department, two reports seem to say conflicting things about the same issue, and Ms McNally is trying to justify this now for the Department’s own inaction. A total of 46...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is because they were not eligible in the first instance. This is about why a bus was put on in Kilkenny for ineligible children at the drop of a hat because a party colleague of the Minister had asked for it. I have not got the answer from Ms Conduit today. Even though she knew I had made inquiries, she still does not know whether there are three buses on the route or two.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Ms Conduit is telling me, therefore, that we are able to accommodate on two buses the additional students who require there to be three buses. How or why would the demand have reduced? What would give rise to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: How long was the third bus put on for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I have contrary information to the effect it was a Bus Éireann bus and that after a week, all the children were accommodated on the empty seats of the two buses that were running. Does that sound correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What is unique is that the same scenario arose in Kilmore last October but no bus was put on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is Ms Conduit referring to the children in Kilmore?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: They did. What happened was there was a private operator who withdrew his services, and they were not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Of course it is very unfortunate, but these are all working parents. I am not here to argue how unfortunate it is. I am wondering why it is one rule for one and it is not the same rule for everybody unless, it appears, you are a TD colleague of the same party as the Minister.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That seems to be what is happening.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I have one more question because the Chair allowed Ms McNally in with no information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am concerned with the large number of children who are not being catered for and whose parents are working and contributing to the tax take of this country. There seems to be no understanding. I have one other question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: On the accounts, I want to know what the prepayments were. There was an advance in 2021 and 2022 to Bus Éireann. In 2021, it was €8,990,000 and in 2022, it was €13,244,000. Why would we be making advance payments to Bus Éireann?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: For school transport.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: So you prepay. Does Bus Éireann prepay the independent contractors that it hires?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What are the accrued expenses which doubled in the year 2021 to 2022 to just short of €8.5 million? What are the accrued expenses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is included in the other expenses. What are the accrued expenses at a rate of €8.5 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: The accounts refer to Bus Éireann’s accrued expenses.

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