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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Chair, I have been aware of that fact for ten years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Ms McNally-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Ms McNally does not seem to understand that a 75-year-old driver who is driving a 52-seater can arrive at the school to take a tour to Dublin but cannot get the children from home to school.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: This is an issue for working parents.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Members should only speak through the Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Deputy, this is not Government policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Deputy, it is not Government policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I want to come back to what I was addressing with Ms McNally with regard to the NDLS and the ridiculousness of the fact the medical requirement is at 75 years of age, but what she has put to me are the excuses the Department is being given, except in the case of Bus Éireann. I will read from the Department's own website. It quotes the Minister of State, Deputy Naughton, as stating,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am treating them with respect. I am just being frank. I am saying that if I were in the Minister's position, I would not listen to this for two minutes. There is no question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am stating the facts with regard to contrary evidence.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I do not have time. What I expect Ms McNally to do-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: The Minister is now saying that, on top of the review, she is going to get the Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan, to look at the over-70s rule.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am sorry, Ms McNally, but the extension of the medical requirement is for all professional drivers, not just people over 70 who are-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Bus Éireann's position in any other realm would be ageist and discriminatory, and I am so surprised Ms McNally is continuing with this line even though there is international evidence contrary to the excuse Bus Éireann is giving to the Department. That is why we do not have proactive people. The officials do not seem to be able to exercise their own brains. They accept what they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: We were not going to get into policy until it was raised.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Grand. The point is that the people suffering are the children, because their parents are having to leave them waiting while they finish work, sometimes at 5 o'clock, to collect them from school. It is causing huge antisocial behavioural problems and worry for parents.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I was not expecting Ms McNally to respond.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Do we have a shortage of buses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Do we have a shortage of drivers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Could Ms McNally accept and listen to what I am saying?

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