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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: That Is still not answering what that carbon-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: If this was rolled out across animals, it is still going to affect only one in ten animals if it is 10%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: We do not have any carbon market now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: This simply should not be in this. If anyone were to go anywhere legally with this, then it would fall. This is nothing. The ICBF had no mandate to do what it has done with these indexes. It had absolutely no mandate. There is nothing within the company that says it could do this. It had no right to go and do this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I am conscious that my time is nearly up. The witnesses keep saying this is a cost to the system.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: The ICBF's responsibility is not the system. Its responsibility is the profitability of progeny and of the farmers that produce them. The ICBF is doing something that is completely outside its remit. It has absolutely no responsibility for carbon within the herd in Ireland. None whatsoever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I know. I am out of time and I am going to come back to this point. The ICBF is completely overreaching. This is not its area. I thank the Cathaoirleach.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: The crudest example is if I am looking at my herd, one in ten of my stock is going to get a very bad rating now on the basis of what is being applied for carbon, even though this is not what these indexes were set up to do. As the ICBF would say, these indexes are purely to reflect the profit value of progeny. Nowhere in the mandate or raison d'êtreof the ICBF, as a company, has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I thank the speakers again. They have had a difficult morning but I appreciate their being forthright and honest in their answers. It has been said there will be no financial impact but the reality is farming is not a short-term business but generational. Deputy Fitzmaurice referenced that suckler farmers in the community have legitimate concerns about future SCEP eligibility. Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I said it would be a statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I was thinking that while it would probably never happen I would not like to go on a road trip with Mr. Cashman if he was looking out the window the whole way to see where he could shoot from. I hope he was not going to the Christmas markets with his wife in Germany when he was looking out the window.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: That is all right. On a more serious note, it is great to get the insight and I commend Mr. Cashman on the work he has done on the deer population. It is probably fair to say we are way out of step with the rest of Europe and certainly with our nearest and dearest neighbours. Has Bord Bia had any input into the venison market and the deer market? What is the volume and where should we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: Mr. Cashman said there is a very good project in County Galway. I think that was the one he referenced. There is no upside here for farmers apart from the reduction in the deer population. There is no direct financial gain for farmers. Is there an opportunity to consider a scheme that would reward farmers for deer culled in their areas?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: Typically, how much is a deer worth to the stalker?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: It is not going to save farming anyway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: Reference was made to Lord Hamilton again. I imagine much of the activity on his estate is hunting tourism. Professional hunters would be accompanying people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: It is not anymore.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: I have a question for Dr. Barrett on badgers. Roughly how much does each vaccination cost per badger?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: It is costing €300 per badger.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Eradication of TB: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Joe Flaherty: It is not just for the vaccine but for everything involved. It is still €300 per badger though.

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