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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms Rogers for that. I will move it along because there are quite a few questions and we have limited time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Does Ms O'Connor or Ms Petrie wish to come in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: If Ms O’Connor can send anything like that to the clerk, who will then circulate it to all the members, we would appreciate that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Regarding minimum standards for rental properties, the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage will appear before this committee in about a month's time. It would be good to look for clarity from him at that meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I apologise to the Senator for cutting across but I want to be fair to Members and Deputy Farrell is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you for that, Ms Petrie. Ms Murphy, do you wish to come in there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Ms O'Connor, did you want to come in on the previous point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: What would they be? Would they be the building regulations on heat pumps?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you for that. Is that in your report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: We will have a look at that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: If we upgrade more social homes but ultimately they have a lower carbon impact as it is, we get a lower benefit. I do not know if the analysis has been done. The target of 500,000 houses is set because we need to decarbonise our housing sector rapidly. It would be interesting to see it. Maybe the optimal figure from a decarbonisation point of view is more social homes or maybe it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Regarding the call for the rental housing sector to meet a certain standard, I acknowledge it is remiss not to have detail, considering that I believe the climate action plan calls for there to be a minimum standard. I think Ms O'Connor said that we do not know what that minimum standard would be but we know that it is to be implemented by 2025, which is only 18 months away. We know this...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: That is coming through the energy performance in buildings directive, EPBD. Is E not very low or is the general consensus that we need to start and at least get in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I think that is Ms Lynch's work and it might be an idea to invite her in. I apologise to Deputy O'Rourke.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms Rogers. Does anyone else wish to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms O'Connor. I thank all the witnesses for attending today. It was a very useful engagement. I thank members as well for their questions, which were very to the point. We are all interested in addressing energy poverty. There is probably further work for the committee on the back of this session. We will discuss that as a committee in private. I again thank the witnesses for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I want to ask about the tension between addressing energy poverty and decarbonisation. Earlier, we spoke about the carbon tax. The view is that carbon tax is important but it should be fairly redistributed. The balance of social homes are to be retrofitted by 2030 and 10% of the 500,000 homes will be retrofitted to a BER standard of B2. Does this pull against the decarbonisation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: All buildings. I thank Ms O'Connor for that. We will go to a second round. I think the Deputy O'Rourke wanted to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Can I just jump in on the ESRI work? Is this recent work by Ms Muireann Lynch? Is that what Ms O'Connor is referring to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Further to my earlier comment about the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage coming, that will be on Thursday, 15 June at 9 a.m. That is in a few weeks' time and I think that will be an interesting one for the members and for the public. No other members are indicating to ask questions but if any of our guests want to say anything, I will bring them in. This has been an...

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