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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Apologies have been received from Senator Pauline O'Reilly. The purpose of this morning's meeting is to discuss energy poverty. I am delighted to welcome, on behalf of the committee, the following witnesses. Joining us online is Ms Michelle Murphy and Ms Susanne Rogers of Social Justice Ireland. In the room we have: Ms Issy Petrie, the Society of St.Vincent de Paul; and Ms Clare...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you for your opening statement, Ms Petrie. I will go to Ms O'Connor now. I note that your statement is quite long, Ms O'Connor. You may need a little more than five minutes - six or seven minutes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms O’Connor for getting through the statement in five or six minutes. I call Ms Murphy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you, Ms Murphy. The audio issues seemed to have worked themselves out during your statement, which I note you summarised. For the benefit of anyone looking back at the meeting, we will put the full text of all the opening statements on our website.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank the Deputy. The first questions were for Social Justice Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms Rogers for that. I will move it along because there are quite a few questions and we have limited time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Does Ms O'Connor or Ms Petrie wish to come in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: If Ms O’Connor can send anything like that to the clerk, who will then circulate it to all the members, we would appreciate that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Regarding minimum standards for rental properties, the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage will appear before this committee in about a month's time. It would be good to look for clarity from him at that meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: I apologise to the Senator for cutting across but I want to be fair to Members and Deputy Farrell is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you for that, Ms Petrie. Ms Murphy, do you wish to come in there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Ms O'Connor, did you want to come in on the previous point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: What would they be? Would they be the building regulations on heat pumps?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Thank you for that. Is that in your report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: We will have a look at that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: If we upgrade more social homes but ultimately they have a lower carbon impact as it is, we get a lower benefit. I do not know if the analysis has been done. The target of 500,000 houses is set because we need to decarbonise our housing sector rapidly. It would be interesting to see it. Maybe the optimal figure from a decarbonisation point of view is more social homes or maybe it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Poverty: Discussion (23 May 2023)

Brian Leddin: Regarding the call for the rental housing sector to meet a certain standard, I acknowledge it is remiss not to have detail, considering that I believe the climate action plan calls for there to be a minimum standard. I think Ms O'Connor said that we do not know what that minimum standard would be but we know that it is to be implemented by 2025, which is only 18 months away. We know this...

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