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Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I will give some context to reiterate the question. I have other questions about what happened to the people who were living in Owenacurra. Since it was decided that Owenacurra is not now a viable option there would be a cohort of, I suspect, between 15 and 20 people in east Cork who needed those options. Those are not now on the table. There was also a cohort who never stepped through...

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Is that location in east Cork?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I am sorry. I am trying to be accurate and I do not mean to cut across Ms O'Donovan. How many beds are available in east Cork now?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: No, that is north Cork.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That was not the case until 2021, was it?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: East Cork and north Cork were separate. North Cork had 36 beds and east Cork had 20 beds. Now, east Cork has no beds and we are considering it part of north Cork.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I fully support the community model. I fully support people staying in their home as long as possible with their family. There will always be a small cohort of people who need 24 hour care in a much more supportive community. We had 20 places in east Cork. Are we now saying that not only do we have no beds in east Cork, but we do not even recognise east Cork as a separate entity to north Cork?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: We will come to that.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I will move on to the safety and quality committee of the HSE board, which met in February 2023 to discuss the Owenacurra closure. This is more about those residents who were in Owenacurra. The minutes of that meeting stated: "Some members of the Committee expressed dissatisfaction with the need to transfer the residents away from the Midleton area contrary to their expressed wishes." That...

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: It can be seen from the minutes that the clinical team was very unhappy.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Sorry, I want to be accurate. It is not public anxiety or my anxiety. It is contravention of international policy, Government policy and HSE policy. It is not anxiety.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: This might be for Ms O’Donovan or it might be for somebody else. Where there is a set of decision-making around estates and capital funding and a set of decision-making around care plans and clinical governance, it seems to be obvious from the minutes that clinical professionals are articulating their unhappiness with decisions and saying that it is not in line with care plans and...

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Will the residents moved outside east Cork be given the opportunity to move back to Midleton when the property plan there is finished?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: If Ms O’Donovan does not my mind me saying, that does not sound like an absolute right. Let us say a person was moved out of Owenacurra last year and now that person is in north Cork. We will come to the timing of the new building, which, very ambitiously, will be in maybe 2026 or 2027. That person is now in north Cork for at least four to five years. Let us say there is somebody...

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: In was mentioned in the opening statement that the CEO, Mr. Bernard Gloster, visited Owenacurra in July. He met with Councillor Liam Quade and me on this issue as well. I welcome that. I cannot do that on behalf of the residents and families but I know they were very glad he made the commitment to visit. I am sure they looked forward to meeting him. A number of residents were not...

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: To be clear, was it his office that extended an invitation to the relevant people in Owenacurra?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: So it was Ms O’Donovan’s office that was inviting families.

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Were all families invited?

Committee on Public Petitions: Closure of Vital Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Was it to deal with managers, not families?

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