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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Good morning everyone. We have received apologies from Deputy O'Meara. You are all very welcome. I ask anyone attending remotely to mute himself or herself when not contributing so that we do not pick up any background noise or feedback. I remind all those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are in silent mode or switched off. Members attending remotely are reminded of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: There is an overrun of 30 or 40 seconds, so I ask the Senator to start concluding.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: We are well and truly out of time. The Senator has to ask questions within the time. He is in the red when asking questions. We will probably have a second round, so the Senator might have to put that question again, in fairness to everyone.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I will allow a little overrun, but as Ms Feeney will know from when she was here a week ago, the timekeeping has to be strict. While I allow some overrun, I have to rein things in. We will probably have a second round of contributions. Mr. Slattery wants to comment but I have to move on. Maybe he can respond in due course. I call Deputy Darren O’Rourke, who has sé...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I thank Ms Feeney. What we have done in other meetings is give additional time at the end to the witnesses. There may have been questions or charges by the bodies they represent that they may not have had time to fully answer, so we will give them time at the end to wrap up their testimonies.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I ask the Deputy to please leave time for a response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: We hope to have a second round of questions. It looks like we will have additional time. I am next. I have some specific questions. First, I will take up from where Senator Nelson Murray left off. Last night, I was interviewed in a Zoom meeting by a journalism student who was talking about the cliff edge that children with disabilities face in senior cycle. I am not going to talk about...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I thank Mr. Tattan. I am aware of good work going on. However, it is not a uniform body of work being undertaken by schools. As a committee with all these witnesses before it, we are again going down the funnel of State examinations being the ultimate. We have this two-and-a-half-week period at the end of June when at the end of formal education, you do these big examinations. For many...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Before our next speaker begins, I advise members we are going to get a second round in. There will be three minutes per member. We will keep strictly to that time. There will then be three minutes for each witness to deal with aspects that may not have been covered during the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: We might get the answer to that later. Deputy O'Rourke is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Mr. Kenny might provide a figure for how many secondary schools are in question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: These responses can be elaborated on in a few moments. I am up next. I will revert to a point I made earlier about how people with additional needs, when undertaking State examinations, face not just an academic cliff edge but in some instances a lifestyle one as well, where they may not know what pathway they are going to go down. I formally propose, as Cathaoirleach, that the committee...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I am sorry for cutting Ms Forster short but I have to apply the rule and blow the whistle on myself as well. I thank her. It is good to hear that some changes are on the way. I ask her to engage with the teachers as well because I would say these are terms most teachers have not yet encountered unless they have gone off and done some training or CPD on it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: That concludes questions from members. We first go to the Department of education for an additional three minutes if they wish to provide any answers or make any comments in conclusion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I know what it is like for leaving cert students looking at the clock ticking down.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I thank Mr. Slattery for that explanation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Senator Curley missed his second contribution but I will let him in. It is now strictly three minutes because we need to get everyone wrapped up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: No, I am sorry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Curriculum Reform at Senior Cycle: Discussion (16 Oct 2025)

Cathal Crowe: We are out of time.

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