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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: On 5 March, Dr. MacLellan indicated: "There is a Department briefing ...and I have asked that you are invited - I hope to see you there." The reply from Mr. Daly states: Thank you Kathleen, I acknowledge commitment to ensure that residents and staff in the private and voluntary nursing home sector are encompassed in all Government planning. There is some correspondence back and forth....

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Correspondence dated 13 March states: "Dear Kathleen ... Thank you again. We wish to acknowledge your engagement ... We are committed ... and thank you for your participation." I appreciate that there is back and forth and clarity in respect of PPE and that that was an issue. I appreciate that testing was an issue. I appreciate that these were issues, collectively and nationally, not just...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Okay.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Okay. That is no problem.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Ms Buckley and the HSE staff for attending. I will ask Ms Buckley a couple of brief questions to clarify some figures. How many centres are there operating now and how many were operating previously?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Will Ms Buckley confirm the total number of residents there, including those who have permission to reside?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I know, but I am asking for the total number, including those with permission to reside.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Department relocated approximately 600 of that number.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: That is fine. The committee has a report from the HPSC on outbreaks in vulnerable population settings. It states that 14 outbreaks in direct provision centres were notified, with 175 cases linked to those outbreaks. Is that the Department's information? Is that the total number of cases in direct provision centres or are there more and the 175 are just linked to those outbreaks?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Perhaps someone from the HSE could verify them.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: In the interests of time, could someone from the HSE answer, please? According to the HPSC's report, 175 cases are linked to the 14 clusters. Is that the universe of cases in direct provision centres or is it just the number of cases linked to the outbreaks, is there a different number and, if so, what is that number?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It is a little troubling that we do not have a figure for the number of people who have been identified as having Covid-19 in these centres. Shall I take it that this is the correct number? Does Dr. Kelleher wish to clarify for the committee later?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: According to the report, 13 of those people were hospitalised and there were no intensive care admissions or deaths. Is that consistent with the HSE's information?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Can Dr. Kelleher provide to the committee by way of correspondence the number of residents who have-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Dr. Kelleher. On some of the information provided, the Irish Refugee Council did a survey on how people had experienced this pandemic. There are a number of interesting findings. Some 83% of respondents said that they did not have access to information about the pandemic. I appreciate in certain circumstances that there would be language issues or other communication barriers....

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: That sounds very much like it is coming from the Department. Can Ms Buckley help me understand the relationship as to lead responsibility between the Department of Justice and Equality and the HSE especially at the early stages as to the provision of this guidance? How has that relationship worked? Can both of our witnesses please comment briefly on any lessons learned from that experience?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: In the interests of time, is that correspondence that can be shared with the committee, from the point of view of transparency?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Is there anything that the HSE would like to say on the lessons learned in the relationship and how things have been?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Direct Provision Centres (26 May 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Ms McArdle. I only have about 30 seconds left and I want to ask the Department one more question. I am terribly sorry to interrupt. As I understand it, there have not been new cases presenting to Ireland at the rate there had been. What steps is the Department taking to use what might be described as a lull or a pause in new applications to try to expedite the processing of...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (2 Jun 2020)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank the witnesses for their attendance. We agree there was a need for additional capacity but at the end of March and the beginning of April, attendance was low and people were not turning up for many different reasons. The contract will not be extended beyond June. What can we do now to use June well to maximum capacity?

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