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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I might let you in for a second round but you are not getting a 20-minute slot when everyone else got ten. Your last point, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I am here. One more point, Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: That is no problem. The Deputy is welcome. I am glad that Deputy Kenny has returned. He missed Ms Armstrong’s anecdote about how, when she went over a speed ramp, all the drugs on the upper deck scattered all over the place and she was worried that people were about to come down and attack her because they had lost their product. It seems to be happening more often than we might like.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: We actually tabled a motion in the Seanad about a transport police force, but we were told that our motion would not be supported by the Government. It was the Minister of State, Deputy Naughton, at the time, not the Minister of State, Deputy Chambers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: The Deputy may have been missing when Mr. Wynne referred to someone’s jaw being broken and being off work. Since the other person involved was local, the worker had to be put in a different area because he would otherwise have regularly been encountering the person who had assaulted him. The Deputy is right about antisocial behaviour sometimes being trivialised. Someone muttering a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Again, drug-taking should not be considered normal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: It is almost so normalised that it is a case of "It is what it is". With all those cameras and all that evidence, and I am not saying the representatives should be doing this, somebody should be processing and deterring people from doing this because 16 cameras are keeping an eye on them. I am not sure everybody knows there are that many cameras keeping an eye on pretty much every seat and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: At the conference, I saw that some of the new rail carriages will be like those used for the Luas, with five carriages all opening into each other. Everybody will be able to see everybody else rather than just being in a carriage with somebody who is committing antisocial behaviour. At present, people are trapped in a carriage if they are in the wrong carriage with someone. It is to be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: There is an element of engaging with local authorities. Wherever the bus terminus is, or at the end of route, the area should be well lit, clean and not subject to its own antisocial behaviour. I do not know if this is still the case but such areas were historically a little remote. Sometimes, there is not a lot of passive surveillance, whereas there is in other areas. A driver parked up...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Do any of our guests have anything else they wish to contribute or make a point on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Aircoach is not as susceptible to antisocial behaviour, but its buses do not have any screens.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: It should also include pursuing persistent offenders, who clearly think they can just do what they like regularly and cause trouble.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: In their own communities, by and large.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: At ones stage, more than 20 years ago, people were acting the eejit at UCD and services were being pulled out after a certain time. People got real very quickly about what they win versus what they lose. I will make a couple of very small points. On the Garda response time, when drivers have to press the button or something is happening they feel needs a Garda response, how does that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Was this on a Luas line?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: If there is a Garda van on a Luas line, there is not much you can do about it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: They are patchy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: If a driver on a bus in a part of the suburbs is pressing a button because something is happening, what is Ms Armstrong's experience of the response time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: If Ms Armstrong does the last resort thing of stopping a bus and saying we are waiting for the Garda, these fellas just jump off.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Anti-Social Behaviour on Public Transport: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Gerry Horkan: All the passengers-----

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