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Seanad: Local Government Funding: Statements (5 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: I remember when John Bruton became Taoiseach in 1994.

Seanad: Local Government Funding: Statements (5 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: A gallon of petrol cost 10 pence. He undertook to fill the potholes throughout the country.

Seanad: Local Government Funding: Statements (5 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: That is when we took over from Fianna Fáil.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: I welcome Mr. Watt and his staff. I shall follow on from the final point that Deputy Burton made about broadband. Mr. Watt gave an opinion and advice on that. Does he give an alternative opinion as well where the Government or Department have a view on a proposal? If he gives his advice and this is not in agreement with that view on the proposal, does he give an alternative view?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Is that in all cases?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: On broadband, did he give an alternative?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Where things go wrong, Mr. Watt said sanctions are very hard to impose. Have sanctions been imposed on any civil servants or local authority staff?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Have many been sanctioned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: What form do the sanctions take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Does Mr. Watt believe that middle management could be a problem in that there may be too many layers in the Civil Service?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: He does. Is Mr. Watt making recommendations on how-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Most people believed that the banks were the whole cause of the crash but the public deficit was probably the biggest cause of the crash. How sustainable does Mr. Watt believe that things are at the moment? We have seen a huge increase again in the Civil Service, the HSE, and all areas of public expenditure. All of these areas have defined pensions and lump sums, which comprise a huge...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Mr. Watt is saying then that it is not sustainable at the moment if the present trend is to continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Mr. Watt referred in his statement to payroll and human resources. In many companies they are outsourcing their payroll and human resources sections. In many corporations, these functions are centralised. Is it the case within the whole Civil Service that each area has its own human resources and-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: That is for the 325,000 civil servants. This does not cover local authorities or any of that area.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: What about the HSE? One of the things that happened before was that PPARS grew into being a monster.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Is it centralised?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Is that in one area?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: I have seen recently where a number of new agencies have been set up. These are all Dublin-based. I cannot remember them specifically but some of them are old like the Standards in Public Office Commission, SIPO. They are all centralised in the one block. All of the new agencies for the past ten, 15 or 20 years have been based in Dublin. Mr. Watt has mentioned that he is looking at...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion (3 Dec 2019)

Paddy Burke: Has Mr. Watt's Department looked at decentralisation recently to see how it might help, might take people of Dublin or ease the current housing problem in Dublin? I read a report recently where quite a number of civil servants, up to 5,000 or 6,000, would like to transfer immediately out of Dublin. Has he looked at that whole area?

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