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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I appreciate that I am over time but I have one more question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: My question-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It is based on an average. It is what it is but it was 5 kg/cu. m. The question I am asking relates to the fact that this had to be taken into consideration in the matrix that determined the average cow generates 89 kg of nitrogen. For whatever reason, whether it be through surveys and testing etc, we are now saying it is 2.4 kg/cu. m but yet we have a band up to 106. What matrix was used...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Maybe it is too simple, but it looks so simple that if we were using the figure of 5 kg/cu. m when we were working out 89 kg, now we say it was not 5 kg/cu. m at all but it was 2.4 kg/cu. m. Therefore, if we were using 2.4 kg/cu. m when we were creating our bands, our bands should be something like 60, 72, and 85.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Mr. Callanan will give me a paper on how he gets the context. To answer my question, can he let me know how the bands were calculated based on that content?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Can Mr. Callanan see where I am coming from with how the bands are calculated given that if it was 5 kg/cu. m and now 2.5 kg/cu. m, it has to affect the calculation of the bands? It has to affect the bands in a downward direction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It is an integral part of it. It is an integral part of the calculation of a banding of the nitrogen output.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I ran out of time earlier and I want to go back to the issue I raised because I need further clarification. This is with regard to the number of kilograms of nitrogen in a cubic metre of slurry. What is the European default with regard to the nitrogen content in a cubic metre of slurry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It was our decision. It was an in-house decision to reduce it from 5 kg to 2.5 kg. It was not due to an instruction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I am not arguing and I accept the bona fides that we were wrong at 5 kg and we are right at 2.5 kg. I am not throwing aspersions at anybody but I need serious clarification. We need wriggle room. I cannot see how our banding could be right after the amount of slurry has been reduced and that the only effect it has is in limiting slurry export qualities. It had to affect the banding also....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Can Mr. Callanan see how I could be confused if we go from 5 kg to 2.4 kg and the only thing that changes is slurry exportation, nothing else? Everything has to change. If we were too high at 5 kg, so be it, and maybe 2.4 kg is the right figure-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: By correlation, everything changes, including the banding, not just what you are allowed for slurry export. It does not add up; it does not make sense.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I am trying to get a bit of wiggle room to help the people who are now caught and have to come back to 220 kg N/ha, the people who were staying below 220 kg N/ha and indeed the people who are trying to stay below 170 kg N/ha. If we are wrong, it is not helping them. It will take a lot to prove we are not wrong.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: I have a few questions but I would also like clarification on a few things said to previous speakers, Senator Lombard and Senator Boyhan in particular. To pre-empt, I will ask a question on Dr. Cotter's answer to Senator Lombard regarding County Leitrim. We will again use as an example our good friends in County Leitrim where there is only one farmer in derogation. She said it was possibly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Dr. Cotter said it could have just increased. I am from County Westmeath, which is included in the red map. However, because we are the "lake county", there is an unbelievable amount of testing and sampling based on a tourism perspective and because people are swimming in the lakes. There does not seem to be an issue with any other testing body, yet we are included in this map. Will Dr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: When one looks at the nitrate level-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Which of those, or was it both, puts a county on the red map?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Is there anywhere on that red map that could be on it just because there was an increase, albeit the increase may still not have put it over the critical level? The witness referred to the increase in nitrates. If one tested a river in County Leitrim last year or two years ago and there was X amount of nitrogen in it and one went back for this test and there was X + 0.1%, it is an increase,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Basically, Dr. Deakin is saying there are areas on that red map that are not over and above an acceptable level of nitrates in water, but the level has increased from what it was previously. It is still below the threshold, yet it is in the red map. One farmer in County Leitrim could now be put out of business because of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Yes, but it was an increase. If it is an increase-----

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