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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is Dr. Hillyer and three others.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How many vets does the IHRB have on a part-time basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Are they contracted to the IHRB-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: -----or are they associated with the racetrack where the IHRB may have decided to take samples?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: They are independent from the acting vet employed for the day of a race.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: That is where I am coming from. If the IHRB decides to take samples at Kilbeggan in the morning, Kilbeggan will have a vet on duty but the board cannot use that vet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It must provide its own.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is always a vet. It would not be what you would call a veterinary assistant. A qualified vet is always present where a sample is taken.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: The board could target a racetrack tomorrow without a vet if it was not taking blood samples but only hair and urine samples.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: In that case, there may not be a vet present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: The only sample that must be taken by a fully qualified vet is a blood sample. If no vet were available, the IHRB could decide to go to Thurles, for example - there was a meet in Dundalk today but I do not know where there is one tomorrow - to do testing but would just take hair and urine samples.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: An occasion would not arise where samples would be taken, even if only hair or urine, without a vet present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I will return to something the Chair said earlier. The offenders probably have access to all of the technologies and developments in medicine before we do. What changes has the IHRB made, even since we spoke two years ago? Is it still just testing for the same products and substances? What has changed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: This is the same laboratory we were talking about the last time the IHRB was here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: We are no closer to our own Irish laboratory.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: In answering the Cathaoirleach Mr. O'Loughlin said Mazars has been given access to all of the employees if they so desire to interview them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: And the number of samples is far greater than the number of horses that would have been tested.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: They are employed on a part-time basis, so they will have other practices. A veterinary surgeon will hardly just be doing part-time work for the IHRB. Are they vets who have their own practices and also do work for the IHRB? Is that is who Dr. Hillyer is referring to when she talks about IHRB-employed vets?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I was conscious that Deputy Kerrane wanted to get in the last time. I have a number of further questions again on the testing side of things and for Mr. O'Loughlin. What is IHRB's annual budget? What is its spend in a given year or what is the overall budget?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: What percentage of that would be going towards anti-doping and testing?

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