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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: As I said, that could have been avoided, I think, if the horse was put before the cart, not vice versa. In the interest of balance, I noted that Senator Boyhan mentioned a councillor from Gort. Coincidentally, the man who has given me the most information on this is a man who is very much associated with the mart down there and everything to do with cattle, Councillor Gerry Finnerty. That...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: As I said at the outset, I get the science, I get the reasoning, I get the carbon emissions, I get the reduction of the slaughter dates, I get the ease of calving and all that, but when will the ICBF recognise stockmen, farmers and husbandry in all that? There is no column in any of the algorithms for any of the aforementioned, but that is what has got us to where we are in farming: good...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: On that train, the phrase "lost the dressing room" has been used here before. The majority of the information the ICBF is feeding into this computer and this algorithm is based on trust in the farmer feeding it that information. It is like playing golf. You trust the man to mark his own score. Given the fact that the ICBF has lost the dressing room and lost confidence within this sector...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: I was not making the argument one way or the other; I was making a point. There has to be a mid-term. This is the first time the ICBF has considered the mid-term.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: On the overall point, does the ICBF see the importance of bringing the dressing room with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Mr. Coughlan spoke earlier about TB resistance and he gave an example of a bull, the female progeny of which had 95% TB resistance. Surely to God that depends on where those animals ended up; let it be a closed farm or an open one. Is allowance made for closed and open farms? There is a lot less TB on so-called closed farms than there is on open farms.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Let us go back to the decision, the announcement and the role of the board. Did the board have any input into this or was it just a rubber-stamping process? If we look at the make-up of the board, there are up to seven farm organisation representatives on it and one person from the pedigree cattle breeders. Their representatives sat on the board and now they are up in arms and on the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: On that point of a conflict of interest, seeing as the ICBF owns bulls, including artificial insemination, AI, bulls, does it see a conflict of interest for itself with the way the goalposts have been moved in this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: I am only asking for the purpose of clarity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: I thought the ICBF had them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: I have the details of the board in front of me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Does the ICBF have AI bulls?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: My comments are mainly related to SCEP. There has been a lot of talk about bull breeders losing in this situation. It is not all about the vendor. The biggest investment in a suckler herd can be the stock, pedigree bull. Many farmers invested in bulls last March and April. They are now scratching their heads, and it is not just the sellers. In fairness to sellers, they are probably...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Could there not have been more correlation and communication between the ICBF and the Department? If the ICBF is right, the integrity of the scheme is gone because I will be paid on a 4-star cow that, if the ICBF is right, is a 3-star cow. The integrity of the scheme is gone and confidence in it is certainly gone. Where was the communication between the ICBF and the Department in allowing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: It dropped across the board. It dropped in my farm as well. Now, the ICBF is saying the cow will stay 4-star on my farm for SCEP but will be a 3-star on someone else's farm, if I sold it to him, once she goes outside the yard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: What is the difference between enclosed and movement? In the past, both would drop from 5-star to 4-star under-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Now, if I keep them on my farm, it stays a 4-star animal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: Mr. Coughlan said I would still get paid SCEP. It has to be 4- or 5-star for SCEP.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: The terms and conditions of SCEP state they have to be 4- or 5-star cows.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recent Reclassification of Beef Indexes: Discussion (13 Dec 2023)

Paul Daly: The integrity of the scheme is in question.

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