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Seanad: Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (1 Feb 2024)

Paul Daly: When is it proposed to take the next Stage?

Seanad: Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (1 Feb 2024)

Paul Daly: Is that agreed? Agreed.

Seanad: Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (1 Feb 2024)

Paul Daly: You may.

Seanad: Policing, Security and Community Safety Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (24 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I will be brief. I will speak to the section and amendment No. 84. I echo everything that has been said by Senator Chambers. I thank the Minister for her engagement. There has been a lot of discussion about councillor representative bodies. I was on a conference call this morning with the president of the AILG and received an email from its office afterwards which warmly welcomed the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I welcome the delegation. I congratulate Mr. Gorman and, indeed, in her absence - we will know doubt meet her in due course - Ms Alice Doyle on her election as vice president. I wish them both the very best in their tenure. I look forward to crossing swords on numerous occasions going forward. As Mr. Gorman knows, officials from the Department are appearing before the committee after...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: How do they infect timber to the naked eye? If they were in already, how long would it take before it could be seen by the naked eye that there was a problem?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I am playing devil's advocate but what, if any, action can be taken if in the worst-case scenario it was in? Is any action being taken in the UK where it is prevalent? Can any action be taken? What action are the Scots taking to try to keep it down south?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I am with Mr. Gorman 100%. As I said, I am on a fact-finding mission before we meet officials from the Department. I am trying to come with all the possible negatives. This is my final question. Has the IFA done any work on this? If hypothetically speaking the department officials come in here this evening and gives us everything we ask for, how do we square the circle that is the fact...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I welcome the representatives from the Department. I will follow on from Deputy Flaherty's points. Officials have met the IFA previously. Its two big asks were the temporary suspension of imports while a task force is set up. Mr. Delany talked about an internal departmental review. Would he not consider a task force that would include stakeholders and experts? I have learned about the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: It is random. It is top, middle and bottom, or something like that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: This is too serious of an issue. If we have bark beetle in our spruce trees in a couple of years time, hit and miss is not good enough for the potential consequences down the line. There can be 100 logs in a lorry and you can check 99 of them and not be able to get to the one in the middle, which is the one where the bark beetle will be and he is then in. There will be no point in saying...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: Notwithstanding the expertise within the Department, would a task force that would involve and include the stakeholders along with the Department expertise be considered?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I know the following would be a big move, but there is so much at stake. Regarding the suspension of importation, I note Mr. Delany mentioned the World Trade Organization rules, trade agreements and so on. Those would not affect us if we said that we will continue to import but it has to be debarked or kiln dried, which would ensure there would be no beetle in it. We would not be breaking...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I do not think Mr. Delany sees the seriousness of this. As said, prevention is the best cure. For the purposes of the conversation, hypothetically speaking, if the Scots find a beetle tomorrow, that does not mean he arrives today. What about the timber that came in last week? We are then closing the door when the horse has gone. Prevention is the cure. Alarm bells will go off if and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: What about debarkiing and kiln-drying timber to ensure the beetle cannot travel?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: We would not be stopping it. A breach of a trade agreement is if you stop taking what you are obliged to take by the trade agreement. We are not stopping taking that, rather we would just take it in a different format.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: Just offhand, do we import mulch or bark in any format in the horticulture sector?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I am wondering whether there is another avenue. I do not know the answer to this question. If we had people in the horticulture business bringing in bark, perhaps there is a backdoor we have missed that we are not checking or looking at where it could get in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: Is that a single vote or the voting block?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Threat of Bark Beetles to Plantations: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Paul Daly: I call Deputy Shanahan to speak now, please.

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