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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I know, but we should have a target. We would tell an under-14 football team going out on the field to have a target of 100%. It is very defeatist to set out that 100% will not be achieved. We should at least aspire to achieve 100%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: When you set a target to be achieved, perfection is the target and it will never be achieved. Just because somebody else is doing less, to me, it does not wash.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: The independent collectors, to judge from all commentary, have gone off the pitch since the move from the green list to the amber list. Then the Chinese gates closed and the price dropped. As I said, the equivalent of 2 million bales of plastic that the IFFPG knows about is out there, and that is for only one year. It takes only ten years until that adds up to a fully year of plastic....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I accept all that. I do not share the enthusiasm of my colleague, Senator Boyhan, regarding an invitation to a bring centre because I have been. I can only compliment how the bring centres are run but I pay for the privilege of every visit I make to a bring centre so I do not share his enthusiasm for an invitation. I will move on. With the greatest respect to the representatives' answers,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Will it be advertised for people who may want to have an expression of interest when the scheme comes up for renewal in 2025?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Okay. That is it for the moment. I might come back in again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Normally I would say that Deputy Martin Browne has already said what I was going to say and I will not rehearse it, but I will rehearse it because it needs to be said again. The question is as much for the Chair as it is for the Department and the IFFPG. Where do we go from here? As a member of this committee, I am not comfortable. I probably will be told that this committee's duty is to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I am talking about the 12%, and I said it from the start. Everybody is talking about the 70% to 88%. I am talking about the 12% to 30% that there is no obligation to do but yet for which IFFPG is paid. As Deputy Browne said, I do not know of any other instance in the world where somebody gets paid upfront 100%, to use his analogy, to build a house or whatever, and everybody seems to be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: It is if you are getting paid for 100%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: As Deputy Fitzmaurice said, if a holding company or the Department was collecting the money from the producers, I would accept 88% as being a brilliant figure and then, at the end of the year, the Department would release 88% of the money to IFFPG. When IFFPG is getting 100%, 88% is a great figure from IFFPG's point of view but to me it is not. There is 12% gone missing that IFFPG is paid for.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I am not arguing that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I never argued once. A total of 88% is a fantastic figure when it comes to recycling any commodity, particularly plastic. I have been talking about the 12%. Quite possibly, my question is more appropriate to the Department. What is the Department doing about that 12% that is out there in the bog holes of Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I have been told here it is not in the bog holes. The question is, where is it? It is an accumulating 12%. It is 2 million bales this year. That will be 10 million bales in five years. It has to be somewhere. That is the question I have been trying to ask. Maybe I am not phrasing the question properly. It will be the equivalent of 10 million bales in a five-year period and the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: I will ask Ms Kiely again. When the licence expires in 2025 and on its renewal, would the Department perhaps see merit in it collecting the levy itself and only paying, from a holding company or some such entity, for what is recycled? We are all getting bogged down because we are talking about the 88% or what I assume is a one-off because it is the best year ever. According to my...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: On a point of clarification, I want to revisit the final interaction between Deputy Fitzmaurice and the Department. I want to get my own head around the issue of the stockpile to which he referred, or to the issue of the yard, or whatever one wants to call it. The Department funded the local authority to have that recycled or removed. That is what I picked up from the conversation. In...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Would the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications not have thought that rather than burdening the taxpayer with that bill, to pick up the phone to the Irish Farm Film Producers Group, IFFPG, to say there was plastic for which it has a levy to recycle and to ask it to recycle it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: No, irrespective of how it got there, it was still plastic on which the recycling levy had been paid and in turn collected by the IFFPG. Yet, the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications went and used taxpayers' money to pay for it. I will not go into the history of the problem, but the Department could have gone directly to the IFFPG. It was its duty because it had been paid....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Yes, but the Department has a contract or licence agreement with the IFFPG to recycle plastic. It is collecting the levy on the plastic. The levy was collected on all that plastic. Irrespective of where it came from or how it ended up where it did, the levy was collected on it and it was paid to IFFPG. Would it not have made common sense to pick up the phone, to say that there was a yard...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Recycling Farm Plastics: Discussion (19 Apr 2023)

Paul Daly: Yet, it was still plastic on which it was were a levy to recycle. Does Ms Kiely accept that?

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