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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Dr. Cotter said it could have just increased. I am from County Westmeath, which is included in the red map. However, because we are the "lake county", there is an unbelievable amount of testing and sampling based on a tourism perspective and because people are swimming in the lakes. There does not seem to be an issue with any other testing body, yet we are included in this map. Will Dr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: When one looks at the nitrate level-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Which of those, or was it both, puts a county on the red map?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Is there anywhere on that red map that could be on it just because there was an increase, albeit the increase may still not have put it over the critical level? The witness referred to the increase in nitrates. If one tested a river in County Leitrim last year or two years ago and there was X amount of nitrogen in it and one went back for this test and there was X + 0.1%, it is an increase,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Basically, Dr. Deakin is saying there are areas on that red map that are not over and above an acceptable level of nitrates in water, but the level has increased from what it was previously. It is still below the threshold, yet it is in the red map. One farmer in County Leitrim could now be put out of business because of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Yes, but it was an increase. If it is an increase-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: -----albeit that the level of nitrogen remains acceptable under the drinking water regulation, it is lobbed into the red map. In the EPA's conclusion, it is stated it is doing the report on behalf of the Department and the Commission, which will then sit down and thrash this out. I cannot see why, in the conclusion of one paragraph, the EPA just became judge and jury, stating that in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: As I said, the EPA is being judge, jury and executioner in that. If the EPA was commissioned by the Commission to do the report, should the EPA not have left the Commission - if they are the only people who are peer reviewing or having a look at this report other than the EPA - the option to have a viewpoint rather than telling it the outcome?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: I said I had a couple of issues. There is the peer review issue and the fact the EPA put this report together, the EPA has sent it out and it is afait accompli. The Commission is not analysing the EPA's results. It is taking the report. It is analysing the EPA's report. I will use our friend, the farmer in Leitrim, who may be put out of business as a farmer based on the fact he is red and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: If I, the Commission or anybody, decided to query some of the results, is there such a thing as a B sample available or is it tested, for example, in April 2021, and then discarded so it can never be replaced? Is there the potential for the EPA to provide me with something similar to what in sports is called the B sample.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Why does the EPA take 25 mg/l of nitrate in groundwater to be a cause of concern when it is established in the drinking water regulation at a value of 50 mg/l?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: That is going back to my friends in Leitrim. The EPA says that if they hit 25 mg it is seen as a red flag-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: -----although 50 mg is acceptable. They are on the red map because it has risen to a level that the EPA has decided is a red flag.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: There are only 6%, roughly, that are over 37.5 mg-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: -----and 50 mg is acceptable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: This report is more based on trends than on actual issues and problems.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: A lot of it is based on trends and modelling.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: You said to Senator Boyhan-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: In a second because this is tied into it. Dr. Cotter, in response to Senator Boyhan, voluntarily offered to forward additional information with regard to urban wastewater and other pollutants outside agriculture to the committee. Does she not think she should have done that anyway, and should also send that to the Commission? The EPA had its brief but it stuck very rigidly to it. I have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Paul Daly: Nobody is arguing with the figures but the EPA is not showing the whole picture with regard to the cause of the figures.

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