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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: And the IHRB, as an organisation, has enough vets in its employment to be able to do that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Does the IHRB have enough vets in its employment at the minute to do what it does, or is there subcontracting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: So there is always an IHRB vet present when a sample is being taken on a track or in a stable yard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I know that, but is it an actual IHRB-employed veterinary officer doing that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: A full-time employed veterinary officer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How many full-time dedicated vets who do not have any other interests outside of their jobs are on the IHRB's books?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is Dr. Hillyer and three others.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How many vets does the IHRB have on a part-time basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Are they contracted to the IHRB-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: -----or are they associated with the racetrack where the IHRB may have decided to take samples?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: They are independent from the acting vet employed for the day of a race.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: That is where I am coming from. If the IHRB decides to take samples at Kilbeggan in the morning, Kilbeggan will have a vet on duty but the board cannot use that vet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It must provide its own.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is always a vet. It would not be what you would call a veterinary assistant. A qualified vet is always present where a sample is taken.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: The board could target a racetrack tomorrow without a vet if it was not taking blood samples but only hair and urine samples.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: In that case, there may not be a vet present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: The only sample that must be taken by a fully qualified vet is a blood sample. If no vet were available, the IHRB could decide to go to Thurles, for example - there was a meet in Dundalk today but I do not know where there is one tomorrow - to do testing but would just take hair and urine samples.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: An occasion would not arise where samples would be taken, even if only hair or urine, without a vet present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I will return to something the Chair said earlier. The offenders probably have access to all of the technologies and developments in medicine before we do. What changes has the IHRB made, even since we spoke two years ago? Is it still just testing for the same products and substances? What has changed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: This is the same laboratory we were talking about the last time the IHRB was here.

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