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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I will move on to the anti-doping section of the opening statement and these questions are for Dr. Hillyer. I would like a little bit more information on some of the numbers in the table. Sometimes I find tables difficult to follow but numbers are fine. Were the race-day urine samples all taken from winners or were the horses randomly selected?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: So, with regard to the samples from pre-race horses that would be a mixture of blood and hair, they would come from all different horses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Would there ever be a situation where blood and-or urine and hair would be taken from the same horse and that would be included in the table as two different samples?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: But they could come from one horse.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: So, with regard to the table, the number of horses sampled could conceivably be half or one third of the number of samples?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Is that recorded as three samples in the table?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I am glad Dr. Hillyer pre-empted her answer by saying that it can be confusing. I am far more confused now than I was before I asked the question. In simple terms, do the number of samples that are mentioned in the table correlate with a number of horses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Does Dr. Hillyer have any idea of how many horses have been sampled to give us the 2022 numbers that are set out in the table?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: For example, there is a total of 2,401 race day urine samples, and if we are talking about hair, there are 276 samples. Approximately how many horses would that be?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is half or one third?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: The bottom line is that the table we have been given consists of samples.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: To be honest, it is a pity it was not included in the table initially because it is a little misleading. If that information could be forwarded to members, I would appreciate it. I have done my own analysis. At a previous meeting we discussed in detail Dr. Suann's report. I appreciate it was done during the Covid period, but at the time, I had issues with the fact he was based in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: With regard to the pre-race testing, I presume all samples go to a laboratory and there is no on-the-spot testing, litmus paper testing or anything. If a pre-race test is done, the horse still goes on and runs anyway. Is there a waiting time to get the result or does IHRB have the facilities to produce an on-the-spot indication? I remember, from science in school, that a litmus paper test...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: In that scenario, if the initial, as l call it, litmus paper test rings alarm bells or indicates that a more analytical test is needed that involves the sampling of hair, blood or whatever, is that horse still allowed to run in the race?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Even though there may be a question mark over it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Pre-race.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: When was pre-race testing introduced?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Has any horse ever been sanctioned on the back of pre-race testing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: What is being tested for in those samples?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (29 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: There has not been one negative or positive, whichever way you want to look at it, from a pre-race test since it was introduced-----

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