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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank Mr. Vaughn. That will be very useful information for our own research processes and the pitfalls to avoid as we are designing our service here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I think many members of the committee have been given leeway. I just have one further question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I had hoped to ask the question in the committee, but if we need to move on, that is fine. However, I regret I have not been given the time other members have been given.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank all our witnesses, in particular Ms Holub, Ms Armstrong and Ms Schiewe for their contributions. We have been on a journey ourselves, educating ourselves about surrogacy. We have heard from many different groups and parents who have used surrogacy. For me, the women’s contributions here today have been the most powerful contributions I have heard, because I often feel the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: It does not change the motivation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: All the women outlined they have children of their own. Were supports put in place for their own children to explain to them? They were very young. What sort of supports were put in place for their children? Were they happy with those supports? Replies in Ukrainian.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Thank you very much. In relation to the supports that were provided for their own children, were the witnesses happy with the services? Were therapy services provided or was that even necessary in their experience?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: If Ms Schiewe-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I think I got the flavour of Ms Schiewe's response. Thank you very much. I have another question for Ms Armstrong very briefly and it is totally fine if she is not comfortable answering it. Can she explain why, on meeting a woman who was looking for a surrogate, she decided she was not a good fit? Did she feel she might be pressured at some stage during the journey, or was that the issue?...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Okay, thank you very much.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jun 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Thank you very much. I have a brief question to put to Ms Armstrong and Ms Holub in relation to the pre- and post-birth models. We have heard some people say it is better to have legal clarity and that from the moment the baby is born, the legal rights should be with the parents. We have also heard from others that they would recommend a period of seven days or a few weeks to give the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I was going to make my way down to the committee room to ask my questions, but I was not expecting to be called so quickly. I thank our three witnesses for their very enlightening presentations and the documents they submitted to the committee. I would like to focus in on something that Dr. Tobin touched on. Towards the end of his presentation, he said that a stand-alone surrogacy Bill...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: No, I do not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Will Dr. Tobin elaborate on the suggestion to delete that part from the assisted human reproduction Bill and have a stand-alone surrogacy Bill?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank Dr. Tobin for elaborating on that. Other guests have said they do not want a stand-alone Bill. They are afraid it will take too long and there too many issues hanging out in limbo. They want to proceed, even if it is not the absolute gold standard. What does Dr. Tobin say to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Even some academics have said the same.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: That would support the children and families currently here in Ireland and in the process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: That is okay. I might be able to come in again at the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Potential Double Standards in Protections for Surrogate Mothers in Domestic Arrangements: Discussion (26 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Absolutely. That is fine.

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