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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: That is fine. I just wanted that clarification. I want to move on to the CPO process. My colleague mentioned that there was a possibility that this would not be open to the CPO process. Could Mr. McGarr explain what should be done with the site now if he is not in favour of the Government going ahead with the leasehold?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: How would that certainty be achieved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would that satisfy Mr. McGarr?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Mr. McGarr would be happy with the leasehold arrangement if the phrase were removed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is the only practical difference between having the freehold and leasehold that phrase within the documentation? If it were removed, it would be the equivalent of having a freehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would Mr. McGarr accept that the delivery of good services is covered in the licence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Ultimately, however, Mr. McGarr is saying he is not opposed to the leasehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: There is a quid pro quo. It is giving the building currently at Holles Street, which is on a very valuable site in Dublin city centre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Yes, but to suggest the State is not getting something out of this as well-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank Mr. McGarr. I have a question for Dr. Boylan. Some years ago, he was in favour of compulsorily purchasing the Elm Park Golf & Sports Club and building tunnels to the Elm Park site. Would he still be in favour of that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Bridges.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is that still the option that Dr. Boylan favours?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Notwithstanding the obvious problems with the CPO process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Buying the land or going through the CPO process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: But we just heard Mr. McGarr say the leasehold is actually a very good form of ownership. That is what actually has been given. Dr. Boylan is contradicting that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: But Dr. Boylan has been commenting and offering his opinion on many other matters. That is why I was asking about-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Did Dr. Boylan follow our meeting yesterday?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Did he hear one of the clinicians state that having an adjacent site, not exactly entailing co-location, would entail a plan inferior to the one before us now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: We are comparing physical co-location under this plan with having an adjacent site. Does Dr. Boylan accept — in the way his medical colleagues accepted yesterday, or proffered to us, even — that this would be an inferior plan?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: So, you would accept an inferior medical situation-----

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