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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I wish to bring the conversation back to the point Mr. Menton ended on about patient care. I think Professor Walshe outlined the position of women seeking terminations within St. Vincent's currently. While we are discussing it here and it can be discussed in very abstract terms, I think Professor Walshe brought it back succinctly to what we are talking about. We are talking about people...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: To be clear, is Dr. Holian saying that if the freehold on the site in the middle of the campus were sold to the State, there would be an interference with that seamless care?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Some colleagues have touched on the mortgage issue and I have questions on that. Perhaps the two lawyers before us might outline how easy it would be to find a banker or another lender to grant a mortgage secured on a freehold that is subject to a 299-year lease that has a rent of €10 per year? Can they foresee a circumstance where any bank would lend in those circumstances?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: So it is an ancillary security.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Please briefly explain why it would not be seen as a good security.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is Ms Reynolds saying that the bank would be unable to realise the full value of the freehold because of the long lease subject to a tenure of rent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is there anything to prevent clinicians or their colleagues, and I direct my question at the two clinicians, from prescribing contraception for family planning purposes in St. Vincent's currently?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: A lot of commentary has focused on the Minister, and a future Minister for Health, and his or her personal views on family planning, contraception and termination of pregnancy. Is there any way in which a future Minister for Health could interfere via the golden share or otherwise with clinical practice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I have more questions for the two clinicians. Can they envisage any mechanism either now or in the future whereby religious influence could be exerted upon clinicians? What would their reaction be if another person outside of the medical team expressed an opinion on their treatment plan?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: No, I mean somebody outside of the medical staff within the hospital, such as somebody from the board or somebody else who worked within the hospital structure. Would clinicians ever consult or take their opinion into account?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: How would Dr. Walshe react if Ms Reynolds, for example, who is a board member, expressed her opinion about the way patients in general or a certain patient should be treated?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I only used that name as an example.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Perhaps Mr. O'Raghallaigh could outline the limitations placed by charity law on the disposal of the freehold for this site.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Perhaps Mr. O'Raghallaigh could reiterate the impact that would be on the leaseholder if the freehold was sold.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I think it would be fair to let Mr. McGarr finish the points he was trying to make.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank our guests for coming here at such short notice. We appreciate their contributions. Following on from what Deputy Colm Burke was saying about good marketable title, could Mr. McGarr explain to the committee his interpretation of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: In general.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: What constitutes good marketable title is a freehold or leasehold property with an unexpired term of at least 70 years.

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