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Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: How long roughly would it last - two or three years? Has any case lasted five to six years where a Garda is still out of work because of he or she is under a GSOC inquiry? I understand there may be.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: What type of misdemeanours would gardaí under suspension be investigated for? Obviously, some things could be quite serious but would some of them be minor issues?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: So GSOC has no knowledge of this even though it is investigating.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I thank Mr. Hume for being upfront in his answers. I will take the example of a recent case. We woke up to the news one morning that a garda is going to be prosecuted over a very serious incident that happened where, unfortunately, three people were killed. It appears to me that this garda was doing his job in the line of duty. It would appear that this garda did not know anything until...

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: But who would have been responsible for it?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I understand.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: Everybody is identified in it to be honest.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I understand that and I respect the Chair. How does a situation arise where we wake up to the 7 a.m. news and at the top of it is a story that a garda is going to be prosecuted? Where does that come from? My understanding is that the garda or his family did not know.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: Please do.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I appreciate Mr. Whelan clarifying that for me.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I am on the committee and I never take up time. I have one or two other questions.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: No, it would be really wrong of you to cut me short. I have questions to ask.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: That is fine. Okay. I am not talking about any specific case. Would the witnesses agree in terms of how the public perceive all these things that we need to improve the way the message goes out?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I admire Mr. Justice MacCabe's honesty. I understand that GSOC has a very difficult job to do and I am sure the witnesses are all very honourable people who want to see that fair play is given to everybody but it is as well to be honest here. The perception among the public is that once it hears on the news that GSOC is involved, the Garda is guilty. I am sorry to say that this is the...

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I appreciate Mr. Justice MacCabe's answer.

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: I find this engagement to be very important. I acknowledge the openness shown by Ms Woods and the other witnesses. I am sorry if some of the questions were a little hairy but that is the nature of the beast, as they say. I asked a question about gardaí who have been suspended and whether they had been suspended for minor issues. What would be the most minor cases? To revert to what...

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: When a complaint is made, is the garda who is under investigation informed of who made the complaint?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: Roughly how many gardaí are under suspension through GSOC at the moment? Does Mr. Hume have that figure?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: How many of them are not turning up to their jobs because they are under investigation? Can I put it that way?

Committee on Public Petitions: An Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission Annual Report 2021: Discussion (1 Jun 2023)

Eugene Murphy: So that is the only way.

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