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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Thank you. Regarding IPAS costs, Mr. McCarthy said there was a standard price range and there is a daily rate per adult and per child. Is there a difference in cost between private emergency accommodation and State-run IPAS centres?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I ask about the cost. Would State-run centres be cheaper than private accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Can Mr. McCarthy give me a example of a well-run State-run centre?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Surely Mr. McCarthy would know whether or not private accommodation is more expensive than State-run at this stage, two years on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: We can take from that that it is cheaper to have State-run than private accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: So commercial is more expensive, is that what Mr. McCarthy is saying?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: That goes without saying. That is pretty obvious, and particularly over a long period of time. The fact is that it was not done. I know it was emergency-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Can Mr. McCarthy provide figures for the costs? Can he give an example of a comparison between a public State-run centre and a private one?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Can Mr. McCarthy have that for the break please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: The private-run centres are not subject to independent inspection, are they? Am I wrong in saying that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: How about hotels, for example?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Am I right in saying there are 225 emergency IPAS centres?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: That would include more than 4,500 children.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: There were only 30 inspections carried out by the Department in 2023 and none so far this year. Am I right in saying that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: A couple of minutes ago before I gave him those stats Mr. McCarthy said that the Department carries out inspections. However, he did not say they carry out the most minimal inspections - 30.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I have the figure of 30 inspections. I will double check Mr. McCarthy's figure, but even at that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Even at that, 105 is less than 50%, despite the fact that more than 4,500 children are being accommodated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but that is not the same as inspections.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: With regard to the same standards not applying to emergency accommodation, we have heard reports that some of these centres are staffed entirely by security staff. Is that true?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: As Secretary General, Mr. McCarthy is not aware of any centre being run by a team of security staff. Is that correct?

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