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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I will ask the Senators to bear with me. We will go into private session after the witnesses withdraw. Those members who are remaining can have a discussion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Does the Senator need to vote in the Seanad?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Does the Senator wish to go and return? We can reconvene in 15 minutes if he wants.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: We will have that discussion about where we go next, and it is important that we do so, but that is a matter for us to consider as a committee rather than with the witnesses present. In any event, as it happens-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is their problem, not Senator McDowell’s.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Decisions are made by those who show up. That has always been the way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is not to cast an aspersion on anyone who is not present, but it is the reality that we cannot convene repeatedly just to try to get maximum attendance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I know the Senator is not suggesting that, but-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Exactly. It is for the members to decide.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: No. Senator Keogan is welcome to attend our meetings, put questions to witnesses and engage, but she is not welcome to engage in the business of the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I am sure the Senator is on other committees and she enjoys full freedom there, but she is not a member of this committee. I am not sure how that works in terms of what committees she opted into or out of.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Maybe there are checks on the way in. I do not know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: In any event, this committee will make a decision later on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: The committee will have a discussion. As all members who offered have now spoken, there is a vote in the Seanad that the Senators need to attend.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: No, let us do that in private session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: The Senator can make a point regardless of the letter.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: The Senator can do it anyway. We are not going to be-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Let us not wind ourselves up in procedure. If the Senator wants to say something, she should say it.

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