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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is another concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that. It is the reason they need the grant.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is it not very loose?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Between flexibility, being person-centred, reflexology and the whole lot, there are so many things where there is no control over money.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that. That is not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I cannot understand how anyone would administer money without physical evidence that work was done, which Caranua clearly said it does not have, and continue to write cheques without an official receipt from the person who got the money.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua does not seem to have much concern about reconciling its accounts, with invoice in, money out, job done-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: This has been going on for years, which is clear from the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. There have not been receipts. Did Caranua ever do a snap audit? Did it ask if the money was going to the wrong place? Did it ever examine payments of €40,000, €10,000 or €4,000? Did it do an audit to see if there was any falsification?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes, or falsification of invoices. Did Caranua ever delve down?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What does "look" mean?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is it widespread?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is not the survivors issuing the invoices; it is building people.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In what Caranua looked at-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Downes believe it is good governance not to check up on the ultimate destination of money paid and the actual work done in terms of just basic accounting?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They could have done spot checks.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I find it very concerning. I am not saying it is all the witnesses fault but there seems to be a common thread of not having enough staff and saying it is not our fault, we did not start off as we should have and we sorted ourselves out halfway through but now that we have sorted ourselves out, we are going to wind up. It all seems like a bit of a merry dance. Hopefully, survivors-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am sorry but I am not finished. Hopefully, survivors have benefited, which was the whole point of this.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How does one measure empowerment? What is its metric?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How does one measure resilience? An awful lot of things spoken about today are unmeasurable.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I sure will. I thank the Chairman.

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