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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I would like it broken down into staff and bills that will arise when the organisation winds down. What will be outstanding in terms of money going out? What will be needed in the bank to pay people what they are due? The Chairman referred to spend on rental property and any other cost to administer the service. The percentage-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How much did it cost to run the organisation from the time it started until now?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: An aggregate cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I just want to see it on the screen.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Can we could have it broken down yearly on a landscape page so we can read it?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is there a figure for the head covering incidentals, expenses, education and training in the most recent accounts? I am trying to understand the amount that has been spent under that head.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is not too bad. I suppose it depends on the number training. That is fine. When Deputy Cullinane was asking questions earlier I think Ms Downes mentioned the flexibility required when dealing with complex cases. I am concerned about the weaknesses in the set-up and that the money may not have fed down to the people most at risk or unable to engage with the organisation. That is my...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What were the findings from that?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am not talking about what Caranua has done since. When the witnesses look back on what they had done, was there any evidence to show that the people who were more able had more access to the fund? I am not asking what they did since then but what they learned from that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am concerned that the organisation was set up in a way that those who might have been the most vulnerable, if that is the word I should use, did not have access to the fund. I am not saying someone's depression is more worthy than somebody's sore foot. That is not what I am assessing and I do not believe it is within our remit. I am trying to find out if the money went to the most...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is not my question. Ms Downes said she conducted an evaluation two years ago. What did she learn then? Was there a heavy weighting in that certain people received much more money and other people had not engaged? What were the findings?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In terms of outliers, say, somebody who got €100,000, does Ms Downes look at that and say there is a good reason they got €65,000 more than this person because-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Downes believe there is any role for her to get an extension to Caranua's remit? Instead of moving to a different process, now that the organisation has got its house in order - not necessarily financially but in terms of the witness' claims that they have sorted themselves out - does she believe it would be beneficial to survivors for the organisation to continue longer than was...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes. That is my point. It is not fixable.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Has Ms Downes concerns about survivors being left hanging, so to speak, after Caranua ceases? Where do they go then?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They are transitioning to a different service.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: With their unique needs, does Ms Downes believe that will work?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Downes believe that organisations such as ALONE are fit to do that in that it took so long for Caranua, whose very remit was to help people out with these complex situations, to do it? Surely ALONE and whoever else will face the same challenges it faced.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They are different from Caranua.

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