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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Would Caranua do it in this way again? Was it fit for purpose to help people with the remit it was given?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am worn out by the lessons that have been learned.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua has been in existence for almost six years. For what percentage of that time does Mr. O'Callaghan consider it has been a functioning organisation? Was it for one of those six years?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Therefore, it was not fit for purpose for half of the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That has been mentioned a few times, but how has it been evaluated? Deputy Catherine Murphy also asked about feedback from survivors.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How is it analysed quantitatively? We have heard twice about the number of phone calls, when people ring for a chat. Do we have figures in that regard and for the length of phone calls? It seems there is a lot of loose language which concerns me.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I become concerned when I hear such loose language about lots of people ringing the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How many people received those 54,000 payments?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I would hope so, seeing that Caranua got its act in order-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Things would be strange if it had not.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua has dealt with 5,695 human beings since it started almost six years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is the number of people who received money, but it does not represent the number of applications.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is the differential?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The entire running costs for Caranua, leaving administration of the fund out of it, amount to €11.38 million. What is the total bill for staff and buildings since Caranua started? I will have to leave to vote.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have to leave to vote. Are we coming straight back?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I return to the number of cases and people. Some 5,695 people applied for and received money, having gone through the system, while others, for whatever reason, did not reach the end. Has Ms Downes to hand the figure for Caranua's total staff costs since it started? I refer to the costs for regular staff, external consultants and-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Caranua might revert to us with the figure for the total spend. My question is how much Caranua spent administering a fund of approximately €111 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The total staffing costs. I refer also to legacy bills, such as for redundancy payments due to staff if and when the organisation is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes, but we can drag out the trajectory in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes.

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