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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Would it be fair to say the board was deceived by the chair and director general. It was their job to give the board that information. I do not know where else its members would go to ask for that information. Would it be fair to say they deceived you?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Thank you. What are Ms O'Leary's thoughts?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Okay. I am not sure if Ms Ahern was there for any of this but what are her thoughts on it today?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: It was deceit in the worst way possible.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Mr. Harvey.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: That is correct. There was an inner circle and the board was not given the information to do its job.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I am very mindful that the board members who sat on the board waived their fees because the financial crisis in RTÉ was so dire.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I thank Mr. Harvey and call Mr. Hickey.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Were you deceived?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: So you are being enabled to do the job you have been asked to do.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I call Ms Howard.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Lucky you.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Mr. Ruane is online. I appreciate his sitting through three hours without getting to say one thing, so the floor is his.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I will come to Ms Ní Raghallaigh with a question that may or may not be for her. It relates to the top ten earners. I am always struck by the real focus on the presenters - the faces who are known. We may have spoken about this throughout other hearings. Has consideration been given to the idea of the top ten earners across the board, not just focusing on the top ten presenters? I...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: The salaries of everyone should be published.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Can Ms Ní Raghallaigh confirm and commit to this Oireachtas committee that the board will be run in such a way that there will be no combo meetings, no out-of-the-room side meetings or inner-circle meetings? That is really important in restoring public confidence and for the staff in RTÉ also.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: My last question is for Ms Cusack and Mr. Bakhurst. I am mindful that there are members of staff of RTÉ watching on because I have met with some of them. They were just a sample of the 700 staff alluded to earlier. As it happened, 60% of the sample I met were women. They were deeply distraught. It was quite difficult to listen to them, but I did listen. If I had longer on the day,...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I accept that but-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Is it unfair of me to say that the information I am being given is about people being told they have to take a legal route if they disagree?

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