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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Is the Minister aware of the cost to RTÉ to see through an investigation on that gentleman within RTÉ?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Would the Minister be shocked if I told her that there was a cost to RTÉ and that would be a six figure sum?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I am actually talking about the investigation into complaints made against Mr. Nally where there was a cost to RTÉ in interrogating that complaint and that that cost could be somewhere a six figure sum. I ask the Minister whether she across that. Was she aware of that and has that information been brought to her? Would that be of concern to the Minister?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: What if I were to say to the Minister that the complaints made against this individual were upheld and there was a general problem there? What would her expectations be of somebody in that position where a complaint had been upheld against them? What would the Minister expect might happen to a very high ranking official in RTÉ around whom complaints were made, which were upheld? Would...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: What if I were to tell the Minister - again, this information is in the public domain - that a new job, a new position, was created for that individual against whom complaints were made and where those complaints were upheld? Rather than in the normal course of action, where disciplinary actions should have been taken, we find a situation a new position is created for that individual. This...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I am going to ask the Minister about the-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: That is the answer to my question. The current DG, the former chair and the board have not informed the Minister or given her any information around this particular matter. That is of great public interest.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Sorry, you asked who what last week?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: About this case with Mr. Nally?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: You were given no information because of legal reasons.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Is that acceptable, Minister?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Does it provide transparency?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Can you imagine how infuriated staff in RTÉ must be?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: This is where you are hamstrung all the time. They always find a way of circumventing the actual truth. You are being told that because of confidentiality clauses, you can neither find out what happened, the job that was created, the job that was exited or the package that was exited on.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I accept that. Let us just go back over the past eight months. Are you aware, do you know of or have you figures for the number of exit packages which the current director general and the former chair agreed to and approved, including a confidentiality clause? I know you are being told the same as I am being told, that it is the normal run of things, but these are not normal things where...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: I know that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Is it not fair that you, as Minister, can expect from your director general and former chair that they would not enter into agreements like this?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Arguably, people who are going into these positions should know from the very start that they are working for an organisation that is State-funded and funded by the taxpayers and that there is no such thing, or should be no such thing from here on, as confidentiality clauses. People going into these positions should expect that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Arguably, the staff were not protected in RTÉ on this occasion, and certainly not the taxpayer.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Niamh Smyth: Do you intend to probe that particular instance any further, where somebody had a complaint made against them and it was upheld? Do you intend to investigate that any further? Is that satisfactory to you?

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