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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: You are all very welcome to today's meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts. Before we proceed, I have a few housekeeping matters to go through. Members are reminded of the provisions within Standing Order 226 that the committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister of the Government, or the merits of the objectives of such...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Do members wish to comment? No. Can we agree to note the listing of accounts and financial statements? Agreed. The listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. We will now consider B items of correspondence which have been received from Accounting Officers and Government bodies. The first item is No. R0329. It is from the PSM governance and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: I will ask the clerk on this. I know the Deputy mentioned this is the subject of a broader issue of a criminal investigation and there are legal issues so I know we are not straying into that area. I confirm we have written to the Department of justice. There were a number of areas on which further information was sought following that engagement with the Department. We have written to it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Absolutely. As I said, we will follow up again. It is concerning; I agree with the Deputy’s comments. We will follow up again with the Department in relation to that. As there are no other items under any other business we will suspend for five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: This morning, we will engage with the Accounting Officer of the Department of Transport to discuss its 2024 appropriation accounts. We are joined by the following officials from the Department of Transport: Mr. Ken Spratt, Secretary General, Mr. Garret Doocey, assistant secretary general, land transport; Dr. Keith Walsh, assistant secretary general, road transport services and digital hub;...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I invite Mr. Ken Spratt, Secretary General, to make his opening statement on behalf of the Department of Transport. As set out in the letter of invitation, he has five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: It is, and I thank Mr. Spratt for that. To note, we will suspend the meeting for about ten to 15 minutes around 12 noon or just thereafter and will resume shortly afterwards. I now open the floor to members. The lead speaker today is Deputy Bennett, who has 15 minutes. All other members have ten minutes. If time permits, at the conclusion of that, I will allow members back in for a...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Will Dr. Walsh clarify the surcharge figure for 2024? A figure of €35 million was given. Can he confirm that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: The Deputy should watch the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Deputy Bennett will have the opportunity in the second round.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Deputy Bennett will have an opportunity if time permits in the second round.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: If you could furnish them to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: We will take a short break for about 10 to 15 minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: Our next questioner is Deputy Neville.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: I have a number of questions. In relation to programme F and climate engagement, there were a number of questions earlier on about underspends within the Department. There is a very substantial underspend in relation to climate engagement. There was an underspend of €2.5 million against a budget of €2.6 million. What was the reason for that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: I get the gist. Why then was there such a substantial underspend? I get the purpose of it. I understand it. When a budget of €2.6 million was allocated, why was there an underspend of €2.5 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: It will be drawn down.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2024
Vote 31 - Transport
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 9 - Appraisal of Rail Project Investments
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2024
Chapter 21 - Collection of Motor Vehicle Taxes
Financial Statements: Motor Tax Account 2024
(13 Nov 2025)

John Brady: I am conscious of the report of the Climate Change Advisory Council on the considerable failures by Departments such as the Department of Transport. To have a considerable underspend on this critical climate engagement speaks volumes about the approach. On the national development plan, where are we with the sectoral plans?

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