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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: I remind all of those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are on silent or switched off. Before we proceed, I have a few housekeeping matters. I remind members of the constitutional requirements that to participate in public meetings, members must be physically present within the confines of the Leinster House complex. Members of the committee attending remotely must do so from...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: It has been agreed that we will add Tusla to our work programme. To get some clarity from the C and AG before I call Deputy McAuliffe, who I think wants to come in on this, these are extraordinary levels of expenditure in terms of legal costs, and it appears that that is not the definitive cost at this point. Do we know how this has come to light? Was it a protected disclosure or a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Where these issues flagged with you in the course of your work, Mr. McCarthy?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Were you looking to come in, Deputy McAuliffe? Anyone else? No? We will move on. Can we agree to note the listing of accounts and financial statements? Is that agreed? Agreed. The listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. The following B items of correspondence were considered. No. R0153 is correspondence from the Department of Education...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Is it agreed by members that we take that action, that we write back and seek clarification on those items? Agreed. No. R0187 is correspondence from the Minister for public expenditure. The committee agreed to note and publish that correspondence. That is agreed. No. R0188 was correspondence from the Department of Transport. The committee has agreed to write to the Department of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Is that agreed? That is agreed, members. Next week, the committee will meet with officials from the Health Information and Quality Authority to examine its financial statements for 2023. Officials from the Department of Health and the Health Service Executive will also be in attendance. The committee will return after the summer recess on 18 September, when it will consider the accounts...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: We can do that. I call Deputy McGrath.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: We have issued correspondence to CHI this week so we await-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Yes, we will follow up on that, Deputy. If there are no other items, we will suspend for five minutes and resume in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: This morning, we will engage with the Department of Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation to discuss its report on the accounts of the public services 2023. We welcome the following officials from the Department of Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation: Mr. David Moloney, Secretary General; Ms Niamh Duff,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: I thank Mr. McCarthy. We will now move to the opening statements of our other witnesses as set out in the letter of invitation. They have five minutes to make their opening remarks. I ask Mr. David Moloney to make the opening statement on behalf of the Department of Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: I am sorry Deputy Ardagh, who has been waiting eagerly, but as it has just gone 12 o'clock, I will suspend the meeting and we will resume after 15 minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: I thank Mr. Moloney. We will suspend for a break at 12 noon and then resume shortly afterwards. We will now open the meeting to members. The lead speaker today is Deputy Connolly, who has 15 minutes. The next speaker will be Deputy Byrne, who, like other members, will have ten minutes. If time permits on the conclusion of that round of questions, I will allow members back in for a second...

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: I will just let the C and AG, Mr. McCarthy in here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: Hopefully, the Deputy will have an opportunity to come back in. I have a number of questions. I thank all the witnesses for attending. It has been a useful engagement. There is a lot of concern, rightly and understandably, from the public about the mismanagement and overspending of money by what I categorise as a serial offender, namely, the Office of Public Works. A number of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: So the Department shares those concerns.

Public Accounts Committee: 2023 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer
Chapter 3 - Vote accounting and budget management
(10 Jul 2025)

John Brady: What actions has the Department taken on those concerns? The Deloitte report is there. What actions has the Department taken on foot of those concerns?

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