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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: The purpose of this meeting is to scrutinise the two Bills before us and not general policy in the area. I note Deputy Ellis is substituting for Deputy Ó Broin. I call Deputy O'Dowd.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Deputy Barry has a question coming up and will have a chance to come back in. I have a number of questions first. I will keep a record of any questions asked while Deputy Barry is away from the meeting to facilitate him coming back in. Legal advice was discussed. We have advice from the Oireachtas Library and Research Service and can seek advice from the Office of the Parliamentary Legal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Can the Deputy share that legal advice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: It is 8%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: They are not categorised as evictions. We have to be very clear on that. When we introduce a Bill, it has to be based on statistics and evidence. I think Deputy O'Dowd was looking for a figure based on-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: If somebody is given a notice to quit in a legal framework of time, Deputy Barry would still term that an eviction if the tenant does not want to leave the home.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: If somebody is given a notice to quit or terminate his or her tenancy within the legal parameters, whether that is a notice to quit in three or six months, and that person does not want to leave his or her home, Deputy Barry would still term that an eviction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Even though it is within the legal parameters, Deputy Barry would still state that is an eviction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: That is fine. I call Deputy Jan O'Sullivan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: To be fair to him, he did offer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: I thank Deputy O'Sullivan. I call Deputy Casey.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Deputy Ellis is substituting for Deputy Ó Broin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: We are well behind time. I thank the sponsors of the Bill, Deputies Jan O'Sullivan and Barry. Will Deputy O'Sullivan remain with us?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: I propose that we suspend the meeting for a few moments to allow the witnesses to take their seats. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: We have resumed in public session. At the request of the broadcasting and recording services, members and visitors in the Public Gallery are requested to ensure that, for the duration of the meeting, their mobile phones are switched off completely or turned to airplane, safe or flight mode, depending on their device. It is not sufficient to put their phones on silent mode as it may maintain...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: I thank Ms McCormick. I invite Ms Byrne to make her opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: I thank Ms Reilly. I invite Mr. McCafferty to make his opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Ms Byrne was asked a question about a case. I am going to remind her that persons or entities cannot be named or identified in here. They are protected by privilege. I remind her not to name any people, if that is okay. I am going to ask Ms Byrne to first respond to Deputies Barry and Casey.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Yes, that is okay, just do not mention the names of individuals.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 and Anti-Evictions Bill 2018: Discussion (20 Feb 2019)

Maria Bailey: Witnesses should not make charges against any member of the committee.

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