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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, of course, for transparency.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, I have confidence in my officials in the Department. Since this issue emerged, they have been working 24-7. I have absolute confidence in them.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Is the Senator asking about the actual amount of the-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No. I addressed this last week. The same rules apply to the officials as to me and to everyone else. The law applies to us as to everyone else. The legal advice last week was clear that it still stands. No, we do not have that information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: A court order?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The legal advice was clear that the confidentiality clauses cannot be breached. I think there is a GDPR problem there as well. I have always said in my conversations with the DG that if there is a way, such a way should be found. I suggested speaking to the people in question to see if they would waive their confidentiality. Whatever can bring transparency to those payments is welcome. I...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Nobody in the Department has knowledge of those figures. I remain, as I always have, committed to maximum transparency.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I have always said that I am in favour of maximum transparency to explore this. That is why I asked the DG to get the legal advice. I am not a lawyer so I do not know about the legalities or the processes around the Senator’s suggestion. I have always spoken of maximum transparency.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We are considering a number of people currently. I will be discussing that with the leaders. I hope we will be in a position to appoint a chair as soon as possible. Hopefully, it will happen within a week if we can do that. Under the Act, I will have to bring a nomination for approval by the Government. We are currently looking at that. I believe a range of experience will be necessary...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Through the PAS process, we make appointments. The committee also has responsibility for making some of the appointments by making recommendations to me which I then bring to the Government.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The Government signs off on it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Excuse me?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I have been working very hard on this. I think the key piece is the expert advisory committees I set up very early on - one on HR and staff and another on governance and culture. I set up those investigations. They will shortly report to us. I think they are key because they are the only reports that will have recommendations in them. Most recently, I pushed with the DG to seek clarity...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: He responds to questions I address to him, obviously, but I would point out that the DG is responsible to the board and the chair is responsible to me.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The direct line of questions was to the chair.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The issue here is that the chair could not give me accurate information on numerous occasions.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The Deputy said I do not ask direct questions. I could not have been more direct than I was last week in asking the chair, on numerous occasions, about the role of the chair in approving those packages and any role whatsoever of the board. Under the Broadcasting Act, my direct relationship with RTÉ is with the chair of the board and there is an obligation under the code of practice for...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I was hoping to have the conversation on Friday morning with her but, obviously, I felt I could not rely on accurate information having pressed the issue on Monday and again on numerous occasions on Wednesday in relation to whether she had a role whatsoever. It was pointedly said to me, “But we will have in future. We did not on this occasion but going forward, we will”. Then...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That was not my intention whatsoever. I wanted to meet her. I wanted to outline what had arisen that day. It was the first opportunity to correct the record, where I had said publicly on foot of the information supplied to me and reports at the weekend that there was absolutely no board approval. I felt compelled when asked to share the information that I had rather than conceal it. I...

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