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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: As I said in my statement, it was a pre-arranged interview. These issues emerged on Thursday and we were dealing with a number of phone calls through the officials. I felt it was worthy of a direct, face-to-face meeting with all of the officials who had been involved in the meetings on Wednesday and Monday. That is why I requested that meeting. I thought it would be wrong for me to simply...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: In fairness, there had been a number of meetings that week. There was one on Monday and two on Wednesday. This issue was in constant flow on Thursday, so it was too late, by the time I had the full facts on Thursday evening, to pull out of a media engagement. I wanted to have the proper time on Friday morning because I felt it might be a very detailed discussion.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: As I said in my statement, when I had arranged the "Prime Time" interview, it was to talk about the advice that was issued and the future funding model. When I was on my way to the RTÉ studios I hoped that would be the focus of the interview.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is hard to answer that question because I could not predict what was going to happen in an interview. When I had arranged the interview, it was to do with the future funding model and the legal advice.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I was not keen to have a phone call with the then chair because I thought it required a face-to-face meeting, with the officials in the room who had attended when I was given the incorrect information on Monday and Wednesday. I wanted people there who had witnessed and heard the previous discussions on Monday and Wednesday. I really was not expecting any question on confidence. I hoped...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: As the Minister demanding transparency, I cannot switch being honest on and off when I want to. I was asked questions in relation to the board. The board and the chairperson of the board is the direct relationship, so I had to be transparent on the programme. It was a case of I just could not express confidence in someone but I was doing everything I could under repeated questioning to not...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: To reiterate-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: To reiterate, I believe a Minister has to be truthful. To not share information that had emerged that day would be me withholding information and I would be facing a very different committee. I would probably be here before the committee for other reasons, if I had done that. On reform, I have said I am absolutely focused, where consecutive Governments have failed, on delivering the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The first question I asked at that meeting was in relation to the reports to do with the Rory Coveney exit package that I read at the weekend, that the chair had an approval in that. I found that a little bit astonishing because I would have been absolutely confident that that happened in July. It had been conveyed to me as a resignation. I asked at that meeting, "Why have you not...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: May I respond?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: At no stage have I said it was intentional, but the problem is that if the chair is being pressed on numerous occasions for clarification in relation to her role in approving, for example, the packages, and in relation to her knowledge of another exit package, if I am not getting the correct information, how can I act properly as a Minister? How can I be a Minister in charge of the facts if...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It was on two days but, I would say, on several occasions in those two meetings. As I said to Senator Warfield, the former chair has done incredible work in-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I do not believe it was intentional, but what we have is a situation where I now cannot rely on accurate information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I have never said that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I do not believe it was intentional, but that does not take away from the fact that, in getting inaccurate information on several occasions, there is an issue there. How can I be in charge of the facts even if it is unintentional? I had comments not recollecting that they had chaired the meeting that approved------

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The first occasion was in relation to a committee hearing where it was revealed that she had sought the resignation of Dee Forbes and she rang me the next day to apologise because she forgot to tell me that she had sought the resignation of Ms Forbes. As I outlined to Senator Warfield, on the Monday there was a question about the knowledge of the Rory Coveney exit package and whether she, in...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Certainly not. Anyone who knows me knows I am not someone who would anger like that or would act like that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is purely from knowing my responsibility in a crisis that I need to be in full possession of all facts at all times and learning that suddenly there is a recollection of something, even though the former chair had been pressed on several occasions-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Absolutely not but it did-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I think the Senator is putting words into my mouth. I did not use that language. I said I wanted to meet her the next day, and I had asked and written to her to meet her the next day. On "Prime Time", I suppose I had an opportunity to correct the record since the press conference on Monday, where I said there was no board approval whatsoever. I really believe that, as the focus over the...

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