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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I do not disagree with you regarding her being a woman of integrity and on the sheer commitment and dedication she gave in the past 15 months. I am not disputing that in any shape or form. I absolutely agree with you. However, as the Minister for media, I must be able to rely and feel absolutely confident that I am getting all the facts, especially when I am probing for these facts on...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, I did not say that. I said that on my approach to "Prime Time", I became aware of other journalists having this information and I do not understand how they got it. It is not something that I wanted out there. I wanted to definitely have the opportunity to talk to the then chair without that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No, my officials are with me.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: There were six of us and the director general and the chair.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: What emerged to journalists was what happened on the Thursday, when the record was corrected, that I had been given incorrect information on Monday and Wednesday.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, that emerged on the Thursday. Everything was protected on the Monday and Wednesday because, as far as we were concerned, at the end of Wednesday we had all the correct information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No. What I said was not that “Prime Time” journalists were telling me that the news was going to break, but that other journalists, outside RTÉ, were telling me the news was about to break.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: In relation to what, Deputy?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I knew what had happened on the Monday and Wednesday. I knew that in those meetings the chair had said she had no role whatsoever. I knew that in those meetings she had actually spoken in the future tense. She said the reforms meant that they will, in future, have a role in approvals. She actually clarified the fact. Not only was she giving the information that they certainly did not...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: On 5 September. I have mentioned a letter I received from the chair in relation to reforms that were under way or planned. There was an annexe with that. It did not include a reference to severance packages.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It was an email directly to me.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No. It was received on 30 November or 1 December.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Is the Deputy referring to the Committee of Public Accounts meeting in October?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: As I said earlier, that was very much rooted in the future tense, as in "it will now present a report" or "it will report", so it was the future tense. At the point of the Committee of Public Accounts meeting, it was two days after Mr. Collins had left, or that it was announced that he had left RTÉ. There was no reason to believe anything other than that the DG had made that decision.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is NewERA that does that work. As the Deputy will know, they have been brought under NewERA. That was one of the recommendations of the Future of Media Commission. NewERA made the recommendation to us on the amount to give to RTÉ.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It is NewERA that will do that. What we have said in respect of the €40 million, none of which has been given out yet, is that none of it will be given out until we see what has taken place in respect of the checks and balances and the reforms.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: At the committee hearing on 14 February. Then I read that weekend that there was-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That is why I asked on that. I would have been aware from a meeting on 6 July, I think it was, that the DG had indicated he was intending to restructure the team. Then I was informed that Rory Coveney had resigned. It was my understanding that he had resigned. Then, in the committee hearing on 14 February, it emerged that it was a package.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That was one of the questions I asked the chair because I was looking for transparency. In that meeting, in relation to transparency, I asked if she had any knowledge that it was an exit package. I presumed she had not, as I would have been told. She admitted then that she forgot to tell me. It was a pretty hectic time and she forgot to tell me.

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