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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Within that, what will be the potential headcount of voluntary redundancies, while conscious of the point Emma O’Kelly made in her interview with Bryan Dobson that they do not have enough staff at the moment within news and current affairs to cover the required output? That has an impact on what RTÉ can cover. I refer to allowing for annual leave as well. That is why I asked...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Mr. Bakhurst mentioned areas where this will impact, such as the outside broadcasting unit and so on, because obviously that costs a lot of money. Where else are the impacts on investment? Mr. Bakhurst mentioned moving outside of Dublin. There were plans for Athlone and so forth. Where else are those cost-saving measures going to hit RTÉ?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: What would that impact? Is that specifically sport?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Mr. Bakhurst made quite a combative statement this afternoon. I do not mind that because politicians have made quite combative statements as well, for example, about going to the sell the studio from under his feet and have him filming in a carpark. In his statement, Mr. Bakhurst warned us of the demise of RTÉ if we did not work together – politicians and RTÉ...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Will the framework plan be published before budget day?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Okay, so within that framework plan there will be a ballpark figure then-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: -----beyond what we have at the moment in terms of both this year and, as Mr Bakhurst said, projected for next year.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: I appreciate separating the different things. Mr. Bakhurst and I are extremely savvy professionals who are able to read the mood music emanating from senior Cabinet members. That is where the decisions are going to be made. They are not going to be made in this committee room. They will be made between the Minister, Deputy Catherine Martin, the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Cabinet...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: As part of this, things like Montrose become a lightning rod. It becomes easy for people to say, "Sell Montrose and that will solve the problems". Selling it would be a demonstrable example of something that RTÉ has done. However, if it is sold once it is gone.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: It is gone.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: It is clear from Mr. Bakhurst's comments that it is part of the rescue plan. He said that doing nothing is not an option.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Correct.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Has Mr. Bakhurst looked at scoping potential sites in the further reaches of Dublin if the full sale was on with regard to what RTÉ would require to operate efficiently?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: There has been work done on the RTÉ campus to provide new radio facilities for "Morning Ireland" and "The Late Debate". What is the cost of this investment at that end of the campus, which is away from the old radio centre?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Equally, and this is where it becomes a debating point among the public, in RTÉ people come to a reception area that is the size of a hotel in New York. At Virgin Media the reception area is the size of a semi-detached bedroom in the city. It is operating as a lean unit and every inch of the studio has a practical use. In a partial sell-off has Mr. Bakhurst identified how RTÉ...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: From Mr. Bakhurst's perspective, the plan is to remain on Montrose with a slimmed-down version.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Since Mr. Bakhurst came before the committee previously we have had the departure of Ryan Tubridy from RTÉ. One of the key things debated during the meetings when Mr. Tubridy came before the committee was the issue of the €150,000 payments. Some people have said it is not a large amount of money but it is 937 television licences when we are losing a considerable amount of money....

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Absolutely, but at the time Mr. Tubridy said in this particular committee room that he would repay the money if he did not attend the events for RTÉ, he did not know whether he would have a job. He said he did not know whether he would have a job come the following Friday. It turns out he did not have a job. It turns out that he did say, prior to knowing whether he would have a job...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: Has there been any contact, legal or otherwise, from Mr. Tubridy or his agent, Mr. Noel Kelly, since those talks ceased?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: RTÉ (Resumed) (13 Sep 2023)

Shane Cassells: What have those talks centred on? Is it a case of still pursuing a scenario in which Mr. Tubridy would re-enter the organisation?

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