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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Right. I will give Mr. Ryan an example.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If I can just have one second to make one point, I will give an example. It was not the Department that did this. It is Europe that is sending it in. From next August onwards, if I have land in under the single farm payment scheme or the basic income support for sustainability, BISS, scheme, and it is of a peaty nature, in the context where I sign my single farm payment claim. I want to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is for scheduling in August, is it not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes. I am not saying it is the witnesses' responsibility. In fairness, our Department had no say worth a damn because it came from Europe. I am not blaming the witnesses or their Department in any way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: We need to watch the directives coming in. We had the habitats directive and the water framework directive and we will have this soils directive and a nature restoration directive as well. If we do not watch tight, we are going to leave farmers in marginal land looking at a theme park, rather than farming.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: From watching the NRL my understanding is if the Commission fell when the countries were not as far as voting and it was at a certain point - and I do not know what that point is - in the directive it sort of comes in again where it was at to start negotiating again. It was stated that member states have set out their concerns or pros and cons on it. What have we set out from the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: What does Mr. Medlycott mean by that? Will he explain the finance part of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am sorry for homing in on it, but can Mr. Medlycott explain that? Obviously, 4 million ha are owned by private individuals. Is he saying there is money required and that it will be compulsory?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: That is the sampling part. If soil quality has to be improved, who pays for that and is it voluntary? The State does not own the land of Ireland; the farmers own it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is privately-owned land. Will this directive be applicable to that land?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Just a second now, I cannot get this into my head. If the officials are going in and saying to a farmer that they are sampling the land to look at the soil quality and this could be detrimental for him down the road, he will show them the gate. Will the officials explain whether this is voluntary? Is it going to be explained to farmers that officials are coming in to look at their land and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Will there be fines like with the habitats directive if a farmer does not bring it to favourable status, have a management plan and do X, Y and Z?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Where are we? When Mr. Medlycott says we are at the early stage-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Are we at a first draft or a second draft or where are we at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In the officials' experience of going through all this rigmarole that Europe does, how long do they reckon it will take? Will it take a year, six months, five months, nine months or ten months?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Do we know what we put in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: All right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Who has more expertise?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I would not be afraid of, say, ordinary soil. I would have no fear of ordinary soil. Yes, I would be watching the Ps and Ks. That land would be fairly okay but I would be frightened of the Listowels and the Offalys of this world where the peaty soil is. That is where my big concern would be. Unless there are cushions put in there for Ireland, we are going to sell our farmers down the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I never said that.

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