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Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am trying to understand who got this money last year and who will go without it this year.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Okay. We are trying to eradicate TB and we have a fair shot of it at the moment. How can we go from €71 million to €57 million?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How much does the Department of agriculture get from the Department of Finance through the carbon tax?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I saw there was a cut. Carbon was written down. Can the Minister explain that for me?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Is this year or last year our first year to get the carbon part - that €113 million tax - across?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In 2015, when GLAS came out, we were able to accept 50,000 farmers and we had a budget for that. We were told everyone would have to pay more carbon tax over a number of years. I think it is €623 million we take in as a Government and I heard the great Minister, Deputy Ryan, shout everywhere that the more carbon tax we pay, the more that will come back to farmers. How come we can...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I know that, but I am asking the question. We have €113 million more. In 2015 when we had no carbon tax we took in 50,000 farmers. After some dropped off, we ended up at 46,000 or 47,000. Now we are saying we are not fit to bring in 9,500 farmers even though we had money for 4,000 and there is an extra €112 million. The Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan, said that all these...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: First of all-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: To clarify figures, the average payment under green, low-carbon agri-environment scheme, GLAS, was €4,200. The figure the Minister mentioned, €5,500, is about 25% on top of that. That is not CP zones. Under GLAS farmers were able to get extra money on the hills or whatever they were called. They were not CP zones. That is not an extra 50% going out, when I add figures the...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I know all that.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I really have a problem with the carbon tax. Another one is due in May. The problem is that it is going up constantly and we still do not have any more farmers going into schemes. The Minister, Deputy Ryan, stated very clearly, "Suck it up, guys, and all of you will be included in the schemes." If he is interested in the environment, he should be giving the Department of Agriculture, Food...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In regard to the suckler carbon efficiency programme, SCEP, my understanding is that a fair surplus is left in that. Is that correct?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: There are 2,500 farmers gone wondering from it. Is that correct?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If there is a surplus left in that, will the Department put out a new-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Does the Minister mean to use it on a SCEP scheme?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Right. Looking at subheads A and C, there is less money going into the farmers' pocket. There was a drop of 1%. Is that right?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: There is more money coming for sheep but I am looking at a budget of €21.440 million. We are back to €20 million this year. Can the Minister square that circle from me?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is the sheep figures of €21.440 million versus €20 million this year.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Which one has €1 million less? Animal welfare, schemes for sheep, has €21.440 million versus €20 million this year. That is minus 7%.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: There will be a saving of €1.4 million. Is that right?

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