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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: To be clear, is this part of the 800 visas under the pilot scheme that was launched, the remuneration for which occupations was €22,000?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: Did that include meat deboners?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: That was a separate document.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: Does the €27,500 agreed for them include a shift rate for unsocial hours or was the Department expecting them to work unsocial hours for that rate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: Does that include payment for working unsocial hours?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I am not talking about overtime. It is a shift rate for working unsocial hours. Otherwise, there is a depressing cost on the market. If somebody is brought in and paid €27,500 to work unsocial hours and an Irish meat deboner is working for €27,500 in addition to remuneration for working unsocial hours, a shift premium, the Department is causing a problem in respect of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: Can I ask a question while Ms Dunne is dealing with the figures? The unemployment rate nationally is just over 5% but many of these positions are located in areas where the unemployment rates are higher. Is the Department ensuring there are opportunities for upskilling into those positions? The meat sector is based in rural Ireland where the unemployment figures are much higher. Is that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: What is the inspection regime in respect of the upskilling? How it is done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I do not expect that but I would be grateful if Ms Dunne would revert to me on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I ask to get my questions finished. Ms Dunne touched on one regarding adequate housing. While the WRC has responsibility for the checks, what checks have ever been carried out on accommodation? What is the definition of "adequate accommodation"? What about education? Part of the pilot scheme involves English classes. To what level do those go and who provides them? Who is monitoring...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: There is a contradiction. The commission has told my office following inquiries that it only reacts to a complaint and it did not have any records of an inspection of English language provision or accommodation. There is a mix-up between offices as we have two different answers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: Could the committee be provided with the information on the number of inspections? That would be helpful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I thank the Chairman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: That is important but the other element that needs to be tracked is the value to society. Mr. Brownlee is talking about the tracking to the individual and the graduate, which is very important but there is also a benefit to society and, compared with investment in a graduate who gets the premium, less money is invested in an apprentice which is not valued against the outcome for society. We...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: There are supports for that. It is retention in career path. It is one thing starting a job at €22,000, €27,500 or €29,500 but the person has to see where they will be in 15 years. A person will not physically be able to do the work of boning in their late 30s. It is a young man's game but the salary does not treat it as a young man's game.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I congratulate both of our witnesses. I am sorry for delaying them, given it has probably been my questions that have kept them here late. On a question to Mr. Power, the hospitality sector is obviously physically gruelling and many people do not stay long after their mid-30s, especially with the unsociable hours and so on. Did he find there were financial barriers to going back to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: If Mr. Power does not mind me asking, what age did he leave school?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: I believe there should be a kind of educational voucher that an early schoolleaver can cash in at a later stage of life. They should be able to say: "I did not cost the State by going to college but at some stage I can cash in my educational voucher to possibly increase my wage." If there was that type of voucher system which someone could cash in to a value of €4,000 or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: It is a conversation piece. In the building and construction sector, the hospitality sector and several other sectors, people can earn reasonably good money up to a point, but when a family comes along or people are physically not able to continue, they find they cannot go forward because they cannot afford education, and they find themselves unemployed and unable to earn a reasonable income...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Ireland's Skills Needs: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Nov 2018)

Kevin Humphreys: They felt stuck.

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