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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Does Mr. Hughes mean not checking-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I see what Mr. Hughes means. In terms of monitoring the possible involvement of some of these companies with the Israeli military, for example, would we know? Would we be concerned? Would it be monitored? Would it be gauged against our commitments to human rights and international law, for example?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Mr. Hughes is more or less saying that it is up to the Government. Beyond changes in Government policy - I know my policy would be that we should not support these companies and should instead break absolutely all links with them - are there objective criteria of any description when it comes to monitoring whether these companies might be working with agencies in Israel that are guilty of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Okay. I want to be clear about the Euromed agreement. Is that the sole basis on which Israel gets favoured trade status into the European Union?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Okay. Are we prohibited from ending our support for or participation in that agreement and saying that we no longer want to participate in the agreement because it gives favoured trade status to a state we believe is guilty of apartheid, genocide or human rights abuses? Can Ireland simply withdraw from that agreement and, therefore, decide its own path in respect of trade?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: In other areas, we have opted out of certain things. Is there anything to stop us seeking an opt-out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Okay. It would certainly be high politics. Mr. Downes's understanding is that we cannot opt out. I would love to know if that is absolutely definitive and whether there is no possibility of us being able to opt out of the agreement. If Mr. Downes is happy to say that is definitively the case, then I take his word for it. This is very important, however, and if we have that capacity or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: If Mr. Downes can give a more definitive answer or check on that, that would be appreciated.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: As a follow on, Ireland is a signatory to the genocide convention. That is in Irish law. I believe it went into Irish law in 1973. If there is a conflict between our legal obligations under the genocide convention and our obligations under the EU-Israel trade agreement, for example, is it possible that the former trumps the latter? How does one square those circles? To refresh our...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I thank Mr. Downes. It would be great if he could send the relevant documents on to us.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: My amendment No. 768 is very similar in its rationale to Deputy Matthews's one. This is a very real issue. Let us say a Part 8 application is put forward that goes out to public consultation. Members of the public make their submissions and on the basis of those, very substantial changes, or what might be deemed substantial or material changes, are made. That can be then agreed and the...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Absolutely. Deputy Matthews's amendment is saying the modifications should not be substantial and I am saying if it is substantial, or "material", as we are calling it, then it should require new public notice and go out for public consultation again because it is deemed to be substantial. Tweaks are one thing, but a dramatic or substantial change is something quite different and it is only...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I accept it is a slightly tricky area. I cannot remember every single detail of the case to which I refer so I will not go through it specifically but, roughly speaking, let us say there is a proposal on a road configuration that is going to make a two-way system into a one-way system and perhaps add a cycle path and there is a public consultation on that but the proposal never mentions the...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I think the amendment would add strength to what I am saying, and perhaps to what Deputy Matthews is saying as well. I agree generally that Part 8s are fine. I see no substantial difficulty in having this safeguard against the occasional one that makes a substantial change where people could then be presented with a development on which they never had an opportunity to comment. The...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: The Minister has expressed his concern about this getting caught in a loop where it just never ends.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I have actually never heard of it happening in respect of housing. It is less likely to be about housing.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Does Deputy Matthews want to go first?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I appreciate the Minister's consideration and, on that basis, I will wait to see what he does. However, he has to do something to try to accommodate this. No one wants to fix what is not broken. Nobody wants to elongate a process. Just to be clear, that is not the logic of what we are saying. We are trying to make sure there is transparency, to use the Chair's word, and that the public...

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