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Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: I repeat that I am not talking about the service. I have never questioned the service and nobody is questioning that.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Yes. My question was on pay in the context of what we have discussed here and the reason for us being here. Does Mr. Martin think that CRC management has been prudent?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: The board did not even discuss it with management.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Was management asked to take-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: When one looks at how far Ireland has come since 2008-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Can I make the following point?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Since 2008 practically every private company in the country, or at least most people at senior level, have taken reductions in their salary. Everybody has been affected. The witnesses, in the prudent management of the board, made a decision, without discussing it with the five members of staff in receipt of a top-up, in some cases the top-up was almost as much as their salary and in other...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: -----based on their recommended salary.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Does Mr. Martin still think that was prudent?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Sorry, nine people. I was looking at 2012 figures and apologise.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Mr. Martin is not answering my question. I asked if he thought it was prudent.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: I appreciate that but in the board's prudent management of the organisation it did not discuss it with the management staff and ask them that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: That was at a time when everybody else in the country took a pay cut.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Not everybody, that is generalisation. A significant number of people in the country took pay cuts, across all organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: I accept that and that has been done in every organisation-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: -----operating under section 38 and 39 around the country. I am not taking from that. The CRC objectives state: "We agree to be prudent and resourceful, in our use of time and money," and that relates to how the organisation is managed. The CRC was advised, as outlined in the service agreement, that the salaries were above the scale or the recommended scale. However, the board did not...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Áine Collins: I accept that.

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