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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I might bring in Mr. Massey on that as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: That is a very specific point. The unfortunate farmer having that way leave go through their land, it would happen at a once-off point. So-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The point is that it would be applied on a per farm basis. I know what Deputy Fitzmaurice is saying from a civil contractor's perspective but from the farmer's perspective, it not something that will happen very regularly. It will happen once. It will be applied to the farm and there will obviously have to be communication between the civil contractor and the farmer as to how much...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The point raised by Deputy Fitzmaurice is valid but it would be a one-off occasion if it happened.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I will ask Ms Byrne to respond. It depends on the business processes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I take on board the Deputy's point. The last thing we want is any reduction in competition in this area that would be to the detriment of the farmer or that would discommode people. Ultimately, these measures can assist farmers in some ways. There have been a number of interventions to make it easier for those small companies whose core business is perhaps not selling fertiliser, as the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: We have highly integrated supply chains on the island of Ireland, as the Deputy will be aware. Farmers and other professional fertiliser end users can continue to purchase fertiliser from Northern Ireland and vice versa. We are keen to ensure that trade continues. We do not want to discommode that trade as normal between two jurisdictions. However, this proposed legislation does place a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: That process has been made very simple for farmers. I would not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I do not underestimate the vast majority of farmers' ability to be aware of guidelines, rules and laws, to stay within them and to do so in a way that has been made very simple. Farmers do that all the time-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I will bring Ms Byrne in on this in terms of the actual process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The Deputy is painting a picture of a very onerous task that we are saying very clearly is not. To say very clearly back to the Deputy, the farmer only needs to register once. I know many farmers who go on the agfood.iesystem to mark a range of different things, whether it is to click in for schemes or going online to register the movement of cattle. People have cattle going in and out of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: It is a process that only happens once or twice a year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Ms Byrne can answer that. I just want to make sure there are no mistakes in terms of what goes on the record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The whole process here is so that we can adequately show the information. We do not want to stop merchants in the Deputy's constituency in counties Monaghan or Cavan from selling produce if they have a customer who comes from Northern Ireland. As calculations are done about the impact of fertiliser spread, we need to be able to show and it is important we clearly say that something went...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The farmer from Fermanagh was not in the Republic. The farmer in the Republic has to register.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Detailed discussions and ongoing engagement have taken place between officials in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs in Northern Ireland. I cannot speak on behalf of the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, who has responsibility for this area but I am sure he has discussed it with his counterparts as well....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: My understanding from the engagement we have had with officials in the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs is that they share our view on the importance and benefits of it. We have not received any negative indications such that the Deputy said he would be concerned about. They see merit in it. Obviously we cannot preempt what future administrations up there might do....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Ultimately we are in the hands of the committee which is carrying out pre-legislative scrutiny. We are in the hands of the Oireachtas. As Minister of State I would not in any way preempt how long it might take for the Houses to pass this legislation. However, we are all acutely aware, notwithstanding the concerns and challenges raised in the committee, of the impediment and the importance...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: This was a clear commitment we gave as part of the derogation to the nitrates directive as it was for the other countries which are in receipt of the derogation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: For now it will be N, P, and K.

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