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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: My Minister of State may have more to add because he and his organisation are the experts in managing this so I will offer one general observation. On what I think the Deputy is saying, there was definitely a risk of this in the past but this current phase of modern inflation is different from other challenges that we have had. This is inflation that is caused by a supply shock rather than...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Sure, but that is the reason why, Deputy. I take his point regarding the delays. The delay the Deputy has referred to in his constituency sounds extraordinarily long. That is the reason we have made the additional resources available to An Bord Pleanála. The number of staff it has is being increased considerably. It did so last year and it will do so again this year. It is also the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Is that okay, Deputy Boyd Barrett? I will not short change him on answering questions.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: -----to actions being taken against public servants in the delivery of public services. It is also there to support and make the case for our public servants in court, which is a valuable function for which it is needed. The Deputy's questions should be put in detail to the Minister for Finance.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Can I ask that if there are any questions for the Minister of State, Deputy Smyth, they be asked first? I just need to step outside for one minute and I will be right back.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: There was a lot in that. I do not say this pejoratively, because it is the right of individuals and communities to object, but I do believe that objections play a role in slowing down the delivery of projects. How do I reconcile that with the Deputy's correctly made point that more projects get granted planning permission than do not? The issue is that while it may be true in terms of the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: The up-to-date status of that is that a further conciliation conference took place on this matter in November at the Workplace Relations Commission. This followed from the one that took place last May. The representatives of the Government at that point indicated that the matter could only be dealt with in the context of a new public service pay agreement, which we now have. That offers...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: I do not know the answer to that question. I will not make up an answer on the spot. If my Department was requested to appear before the Labour Court, I am certain that it would. It is the case that issues particular to particular sectors within our public service are, most of the time, represented by the State organisation in that sector. If this matter related to the Department of...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Sure.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: I am.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: The Deputy’s question refers to the analysis that was done by, I believe, the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council. Is that correct? The council was speaking about the impact of cost-price inflation on the delivery of projects. This issue is manifesting itself by Departments making the case at the moment for more money to fund capital commitments in the coming years. I am engaging with...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 11 – Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 – State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - the Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 – Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 -the Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 – Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(31 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: That is correct. On budget day, I indicated an amount of €2.25 billion, with €250 million available for this year and the rest spread over 2025 and 2026. It is through those discussions the issue the Deputy is referring to is being addressed.

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Electricity Supply Board (30 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: I propose to take Questions Nos. 227, 228, 230, 233 and 237 together. Under rule 42.4 of the scheme rules of the ESB Pension Scheme, set out in Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Order 2014 (S.I. No. 18/2014), the consent of the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications and the Minister for Public Expenditure, NDP Delivery and Reform is required for pension increases...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Departmental Contracts (30 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: The information requested by the Deputy in respect of the company in question is set out in the table below: Year Purpose of Engagement Overall Cost 2019 Organisational review and change programme for the Office of Government Procurement €159,129 2022 Assessment of the methodology used in quantifying...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Flood Relief Schemes (30 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: In accordance with the European Union (Environmental Impact Assessment) (Arterial Drainage) Regulations 2019, the Office of Public Works has sought consent for the River Deel Flood Relief scheme under the Arterial Drainage Acts 1945 and 1995. My Department has appointed environmental consultants to carry out the necessary environmental assessments required. In July 2023, additional...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of Government Procurement (30 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: The Office of Government Procurement (OGP) has responsibility for establishing central procurement arrangements for commonly available goods and services. In June 2023, the OGP established a central procurement solution for the Supply of Cleaning, Paper, Personal Hygiene & Period Equality Products. In establishing this arrangement the OGP adhered to the requirements of the Public...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Ministerial Staff (30 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: In my role as Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, I am assigned two Garda drivers, each of whom works a week-on week-off pattern. My Department employs two civilian drivers, both of whom are assigned to Minister of State Ossian Smyth. The Office of Public Works also employs two civilian drivers, both of whom are assigned to Minister of State...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Electricity Supply Board (25 Jan 2024)

Paschal Donohoe: I propose to take Questions Nos. 208 and 209 together. Under rule 42.4 of the Scheme rules, set out in Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Order 2014 (S.I. No. 18/2014), the consent of the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications and the Minister for Public Expenditure, NDP Delivery and Reform is required for pension increases under the Scheme. On 22 November 2023,...

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