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Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: In contrast to the very constructive debate here yesterday evening, we seem to have begun this one on a very cantankerous and preposterous basis. I do not think anyone in this House would condone or attempt to defend the criminal activities of trafficking in human beings, the unfortunate consequences of which we saw in commercial vehicles. On Senator Norris's point, we are well aware of the...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order, is it in order for Senator Ryan to refer in a derogatory manner to a Member of the other House, given that the Member in question is not present?

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: I have raised a point of order.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: We are back on Second Stage.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: We must deal with the section. We are having a global debate on the whole subject.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: I respect your decision, a Leas-Chathaoirligh, but if the debate continues to be so wide open, we will never finish.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: Senator Norris made an interesting point about the authorities in other countries. There is anecdotal evidence – perhaps more than that – to suggest that other authorities have turned a blind eye to this. The events at the Channel tunnel are an example. The authorities are happy to see people pass through their jurisdiction into others. This is a reasonable point. I have some knowledge of...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: There has been evidence of such trafficking. Situations will arise where the carrier or driver may be totally oblivious to the fact that there are people on board. We are on section 2 of the Bill.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: The matter of how a defence can be mounted is dealt with in section 2. This comes back to the point I made about conducting the debate in an orderly fashion. We can have a good debate on this when we reach section 2 where the matter is dealt with.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: I am perplexed by the amendment. I am sure members of the Labour Party are inveterate travellers like the rest of us who have been abroad and returned on aeroplanes and boats.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: They must have had to present themselves to immigration officers at the airport or port. It would be impossible for an immigration officer to distinguish—

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: When a person presents themselves, an officer does not know whether he or she is a non-national or a national. An officer cannot distinguish that until the person produces his or her papers. If the people on board a ship refuse to disembark, the immigration officer does not have the authority to go on board. From my knowledge of the shipping business, the captain of the ship is in charge of...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: If responsibility is not put on the carrier, effectively one is facilitating those involved in criminal activities involving asylum seekers and refugees. A carrier who is operating in good faith and has passengers on board will have no difficulty in complying with the Bill. Obviously, if he is doing it surreptitiously for profit or other motivation he will have difficulty because he will be...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage (Resumed). (19 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: The effect of amendment No. 7 would be to neuter the Bill. It would leave it open to any carrier complicit with the people he or she was carrying to say that they were asylum seekers. That is not the intent of the Bill. Many of the amendments would neuter the Bill. I do not know if that is the intention of the Labour Party or not but if it is, it should be stated up front. There is no country...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage (Resumed). (19 Dec 2002)

Jim Walsh: On the section, the provisions are eminently sensible and they are not a departure from what is happening. If someone presents themselves at Dublin Airport to travel to any continental country, his or her passport is requested and if he or she does not have it, and this is nothing to do with the Ryanair situation where a passport is required to board the aircraft, the carrier will not accept...

Seanad: Immigration Bill 2002: Report Stage. (4 Feb 2003)

Jim Walsh: If the amendment was accepted it would mean the penalty would stand at €3,000, which would be totally inadequate. It would be a strong inducement to employers who would be of a mind to break the law because it would be quite profitable to do so. The points made by the Senator could be countered by recognising that the prescribed ten years or €250,000 do not exceed the particular...

Seanad: Immigration Bill 2002: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage. (4 Feb 2003)

Jim Walsh: It is customary to acknowledge the usefulness of the Bill and the reasonable manner with which the Minister accommodated various amendments put forward. Our hope is that an important Bill such as this will have the effect of speeding up the process for the genuine asylum seekers who are disadvantaged because of abuses of the system.

Seanad: Immigration Bill 2002: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage. (4 Feb 2003)

Jim Walsh: At 10.30 a.m. tomorrow.

Seanad: Protection of the Environment Bill 2003: Second Stage (Resumed). (5 Feb 2003)

Jim Walsh: Aontaím leis na Seanadóirí eile agus iad ag gabháil fáilte leis an Aire agus leis an mBille seo. I welcome certain provisions of the Bill which will help to tackle some of the environmental difficulties we are experiencing. Like other Members, however – even those on this side of the House – I have strong reservations about other provisions of the Bill about which I will speak...

Seanad: Protection of the Environment Bill 2003: Second Stage (Resumed). (5 Feb 2003)

Jim Walsh: I accept that.

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