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Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: -----the one thing I know more than anything else is that I do not know it all.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I know discourtesy and bad manners when I see it.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Every time the Deputy walks into this House he exemplifies discourtesy and bad manners.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Shame on you.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: To return to the point raised by Deputy O'Donnell, of course I accept that this is a new position. People at the clerical and sub-clerical grades in particular are on modest salaries. I, too, understand the burden the pay cuts will place on public servants. Of course, I do. Many of my constituents are public servants. Unfortunately, I simply do not see that the cuts in pay levels can be...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: We have been joined by another-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I would do so if the Deputy's two friends could be a little patient.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: The Deputy is correct, I do not like to be heckled. I do not heckle and believe it is discourteous to the House.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Unfortunately, I simply do not see-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Unless I am allowed additional time for the minutes I have lost I will not yield the floor to anybody.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Last Friday-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Can I take it that I will be allowed the additional minutes?

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Yes, the heckling is pathetic.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Last Friday saw the publication of the report of the review body on higher remuneration in the public service. Last Friday also saw the publication of the report-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: This report deals with the issue of pay.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: An important element in the review was that salary levels in the ranks that are benchmarked against rates for similar posts in other countries are on a comparable scale. If anybody knows anything about public administration they will know about the relativity of all salary scales within public administration.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: The view adopted by this report makes sense. Previous benchmarking in this regard was deficient. To be seen ultimately as fair these arrangements will have to be applied across the board. For that reason, I believe the decision, for example, of hospital consultants to agree a 15% reduction, must be acknowledged as an important step. While it is not among the grades examined by the review...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: -----the Government or the Minister from cutting the pay of a judge. This is to protect the independence of the Judiciary.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: When this provision was being framed by those who drew up our Constitution, I do not believe they had it in mind that the matter of pay for judges should be put outside the considerations that apply to the population as a whole, that judges be considered as a particular class beyond the considerations that apply to other citizens or that the pay of all judges should be exempt from the...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: -----and on where we, as a nation, had failed in successive Administrations made up of all of the major political parties in this House. It is not possible to serve the needs of a progressive outward looking Ireland with an administrative system that goes back to the days when Queen Victoria was a girl.

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