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Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I do not disagree with the sentiments expressed by Deputy Tom Hayes about the quality of our public service. However, I disagree with him on some other parts of his analysis. I have spent all of my adult life either working in public administration, lecturing on it or dealing with civil servants. There are high standards in our public service. That is why most of the recent debate has...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Labour, however, opposes such a move with its solution of raising €2.3 billion in additional taxes. That, as all members know, is not sustainable. Fine Gael claims one cannot tax one's way out of recession, a point with which few would disagree. Clearly, the two Opposition parties are poles apart on strategy, however. The Labour Party's position is quite extraordinary. Its public...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Yes, that is what the Deputy is calling a windfall tax. If the Deputy thinks about the Kyoto agreement-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: No, that is not quite the point. However, I will not get into dialogue on it with the Deputy. I simply make the point that it is another problem in his calculation. The Deputy has figured into his calculation a cost of €20 per tonne. The tonnage price has varied dramatically since 2006, when it was €22. It then reduced to €7 per tonne in 2007. Today carbon costs approximately...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Yes, I accept that. I am certainly not suggesting for one moment that Fine Gael is suggesting anything other than that.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: None of us in this House wants to cut public service numbers. That is not the way forward, leaving us with only one option, namely, to start operating on pay rates. The biggest single element in the cost of public services is payroll costs. It is deeply regrettable that we face such harsh realities. Sadly, that is where we are.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I have listened with dismay to the polarisation of the debate in the past few weeks. That polarisation is something I utterly deplore. It is counterproductive. We, as a society, must hang together or we will most definitely hang apart. To demonise public administrators or public servants, as has happened in the debate in the recent past is simply counter to the public good.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I agree with the Minister for Finance, Deputy Brian Lenihan, who said in his speech that we have all experienced the excellence and dedication of the public service. I have been in the public service. Half my adult life was spent working in public administration. I started my employment as a post office clerk and worked up the ranks until I became Assistant Principal in the Department of...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: It is foolhardy for a nation-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I will deal with the pay cuts.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: With respect, I do not need direction from the opposite side.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: The Minister has-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: With respect, what the Deputy should do then is skulk out of the House and wait outside until it is his turn to contribute.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I have listened-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: With respect, I have listened to all that has been said on that side of the House. With respect, the Deputy does not deserve respect.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: The Minister has also said that the cost of public-----

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Listen to the waffle.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: If the Deputy could have a little bit of forbearance and a tiny bit of manners it would allow me to do what his patient colleague has asked me to do.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: Perhaps the Deputy's colleague could silence him.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (Resumed) (15 Dec 2009)

Dick Roche: I am sorry Deputy-----

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