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Written Answers — Department of Health: Covid-19 Pandemic (23 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: 654. To ask the Minister for Health if he will outline the procurement and oversight process which was used by his Department/HSE when renting or leasing hotels for use during Covid; if he is satisfied that the systems were robust and transparent and delivered value for money respecting the fact that it was an emergency situation; if his Department or the HSE have received any complaints...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Feel free if you want to jump in. We like to keep it informal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Conway-Walsh.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: It has improved in recent years. Representation is greater.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Deputy Harkin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: The Deputy is more than welcome.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Thank you. I thought you had been talking about some of the committee members. I could not allow that to pass, but what I said is true and the Deputy's question speaks to the same point. Deputy Shanahan was at pains to point out that the Bill is of a gentle nature. That, in itself, recognises the fact that the opposition there would be to a more robust Bill would come from politics,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: We will in due course. When we have discussed it with officials and so on, we will come to that point and try to be of assistance to the Deputy and the Bill. I think that is the general sense around the table. Is local government included?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Currently, local government stands to be audited by the local government auditor and not the Comptroller and Auditor General, and there is a kind of a-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: The more that is done to include local government in terms of accountability, the better. We will tease that out further with the officials when they appear before us. Deputy Shanahan said that the Comptroller and Auditor General always deals with this in hindsight. He also referred to the latter or some committee of these Houses finding something exceptional that he or it decides to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: The members were very supportive of having the Bill here and going through this process today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Yes, if anyone wishes to say or add anything, please feel free to do so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: No, I am not suggesting that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: Not at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: To be clear, I am not suggesting that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: I did not suggest that. My advice is that we should have a strong C and AG's office and a powerful PAC that would do their work by looking at matters retrospectively, as they have been doing. I am not talking about influencing Government spending. If that strong office is put in place, many people will pay a great deal more attention. I am not in any way-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

John McGuinness: At our private meeting earlier on, we adopted the minutes for the previous meeting of 13 December 2023. At today's meeting, we are engaging with Deputy Shanahan and his team on the detailed scrutiny of the Capital Supply Service and Purpose Report Bill 2023. It is a Private Members' Bill in the Deputy's name. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Deputy Shanahan; Mr. Jim Power,...

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