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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: No, I am not asking about the letter of intent either. You know these Acts back to front. What section of what Act endows plenipotentiary authority on you to invoke taxpayers’ money to the tune of €20 million over ten years?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: What section of the Act, please? It was €2 million per annum, I understood. Let us not get into pedantics. What section of the Act is it? We are dancing around protocols, one's understanding of the Act and all of that. I have heard it for hours. You once told me at the Committee of Public Accounts that we do not have a gotcha culture in the Civil Service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: Clearly we do not, and certainly not when the independent report disagrees with the great on high. The reality is that it is time taxpayers stopped being taken for fools. They pay you €300,000 per year and, despite the expertise of all these parliamentary party people, we await a direct answer. Who, or what authority under what Act, allowed you to say: “Tony wanted to go....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: What section of it, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: It says the Secretary General-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: -----if a close and very hardworking colleague has impressed and done an exceptional amount of public service, we can design a bespoke retirement secondment package for him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: By who? By the man himself, is that not correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: Of the 770 staff you mentioned earlier, who do not always agree with one another, in the Department of Health, how many are eligible for similar, self-designed, gilt-edged secondments or retirements following good service to the State?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: How many can do that and be told, "Look, I will tell you what. What do you want to do? Do you want to be a professional footballer? I will tell you what, go out to Shamrock Rovers, you negotiate with it your terms and we will fund it." Is that how it works?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: Do you say “Yes” to everybody?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: How much are you managing to funnel to UCD to fund it now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: For the role that Dr. Holohan now has in UCD how much of the research funding is being channelled?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: Well you knew all about it in Trinity. Is there money now going through the Department to UCD for this purpose?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: It is a very important question now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: No, I am asking the Department of Health. You are the one who seems to have plenipotentiary status to dish out €10 million or €15 million when it suits. I am asking you, are there any moneys going to UCD to support the efforts of Dr. Holohan in that position?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: I did not ask you that. Is the Department of Health giving UCD any money?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: How much are they giving?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: How much of the €50 million plus did it increase from a calendar perspective, since the non-progression of the TCD secondments?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: Would there be additional money since then do you think?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Marc MacSharry: I will conclude by saying this whole debacle is unseemly in the extreme. Sadly, it has called into question the continuance in his position of an excellent and very talented Secretary General. It makes a farce of an expression of confidence in the Secretary General by the Tánaiste and the Ministers for Finance and Public Expenditure, National Delivery Plan and Reform, while we have an...

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