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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: It was not a conversation. This is a matter of public record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. Fraser not think that he should? Is it the case that he, as the Secretary General to the Government, supports a culture that sees loss of moneys due to mistakes as learning experiences, as was the case with the well publicised mistake by the commissioners in the OPW, relative to Miesian Plaza, which has realised a loss of €10 million to the people? The Secretary General of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Fraser is responsible for them all. Is he not the head of the Civil Service?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: The Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach used to be head of the Civil Service. Did that role not fall to Mr. Fraser?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: So there is nobody in charge. Is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I am talking about the loss of taxpayers' money. The head of TLAC, who wrote that the Civil Service is a game with no consequences went on to say the response to failure is "sideways moves" and "easy exits". The Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform told me at the Committee of Public Accounts – the record will show it – that we do not have a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I gave Mr. Fraser an example that is in the public domain. In fact, the then Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform's first answer at the Committee of Public Accounts meeting, which makes me even more worried, was that he was not even aware that the commissioners in the OPW made such a banana maths basic mistake that lost €10 million of taxpayers' money...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I have some very quick, rapid-fire, buzzer-round questions, if the Secretary General does not mind. Did the Minister for Health at the meeting in November - and I ask this question because it is not in the minutes - say that he wanted this man?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Did any of the other attendees at the meeting say that they wanted this man?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. I asked that question because that was what was reported in the media and that is the kind of conjecture out there. I refer to someone reportedly saying that he or she wanted this man. Mr. Fraser will forgive us, being only the Deputies and Senators that we are, for concluding, given the obscurity of the process, the coincidence that in an international process we came out...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Fraser has not. That is fine. That is just how it looks. To conclude, I want to treble-check a point with Mr. Fraser. The committee was told that there is no head of the Civil Service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. We really are in bad shape when we consider that no one is in charge, by the Secretary General's own admission.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: The Civil Service just ploughs along. If, under the Ministers and Secretaries Acts, a Minister wants to take issue with a Secretary General, for example, and wants to throw one out, he or she could, theoretically do that. In practice, however, none do so. Over the level of principal officer, in the Civil Service, therefore, we have no head and, in fact, there is no disciplinary process or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: No. Is that not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: No. We talked earlier about the person who has got this job promoting and being happy with a culture where money is lost in a situation where that was preventable. It is a learning experience and there will be no disciplinary process. I am trying to get to the root of something here. The great T.K. Whitaker is recorded, in a book, as saying something to the effect that there can be no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I would love to see the 23 applications that came in so that based on my own experience of business and the public sector I could make an informed decision on whether we did get the right person. I will leave it there for now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(27 May 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I welcome all our guests. Under the Regional Airports Programme 2021-2025, is it the case that other airports can apply for funding there if things are needed around security, fire or safety? I am referring to Sligo Airport.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(27 May 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Of course Waterford is the exception to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(27 May 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Okay but what we have established is that depending on the Minister of the day, if one wants to give a bit of twine to an airport that does not have scheduled services like Waterford, it can happen. We are not doing it for Sligo Airport, which does have needs, does have a rescue service and does house the CHC choppers in Strandhill, where I live, but it is one rule for Waterford and no rule...

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