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Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: The Minister of State has inserted the word "university". If that is the case, should "institute of technology" not also be included?

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: Does that include institutes of technology?

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I can see Senator O'Toole's point. I would ask the Minister of State to review the wording to make crystal clear exactly what is the intention of the section. As Senator O'Toole said, he is not moving the amendment but there is an opportunity at this point – that is the idea behind Committee Stage – for the Minister of State and his officials to tidy up the section to make it clear what...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I am seeking clarification. Amendment No. 5 provides for the deletion of the words "Director General" later in the Bill but the phrase is used in section 8.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: Yes, but the words are included in section 8 so that will have to be changed.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: We will encourage the Government to locate these offices and headquarters in a rural area. It could easily be in the BMW region which you, a Leas-Chathaoirligh, would appreciate.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: There is nothing in the Bill to determine it will be located in Dublin or anywhere else, so there is flexibility in relation to the decisions being made by the Government on all State organisations. It is worthwhile noting that we strongly recommend this agency is located outside the capital.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I suggest to the Minister of State that a provision should have been included to allow members of local authorities to sit on the board. He may be pleased to note that members of prison visiting committees may also be members of Seanad Éireann, Dáil Éireann, the European Parliament or a local authority. To disbar people who may be eminent professors, scientists or researchers from being...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: Senator O'Toole is very persuasive in his arguments.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I am very pleased that he, as president of ICTU, is not excluded from the social partnership negotiations. As a Member of this House, his position is as significant, if not more so, than membership of any board. I say this in support of his argument. I will try to encourage the Minister and the Government to examine the position regarding local authority membership. It means that a member of...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I too have strong reservations about that.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: The civil servants or the parliamentary counsel may be more responsible than the politicians for this provision. If this is taken to its logical conclusion, a politician should not even be a Minister because he or she has to make difficult decisions. When I was Minister of State with responsibility for trade and marketing I was responsible for the awarding of many grants and, therefore, I was...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: If a vote is called on this section, I will vote with the Government, but I hope what I have said will persuade the Minister of State in this regard. I discussed this matter with my colleagues on this side of the House this morning and they would support what I am saying. Excluding local authority members from this board is grossly unfair and unconstitutional. The Minister of State should...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: It is agreed subject to review by the Minister.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: When we have dealt with Committee Stage.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: Section 12 is agreed subject to the Minister—

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: I am trying to prevent a vote on this issue. If there is a vote on the section, it will remain part of the Bill. Question put.

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: This section may seem harsh. In reality it is important for a director general to carry out the policies of the Government. If he or she does not carry those out, there is no provision in the Bill to reprimand or fire the director general, merely a recommendation. There is no provision stating that if he or she does not carry out those policies or in any way disagrees with the Government, he...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: The Minister has made every effort to encompass every eventuality. The points the Senator made are important and her interpretation has been accepted. It is realistic to expect persons to be aware of their responsibilities regarding possible connections of close relatives. It is difficult to be definitive, however, given the nature of current relationships. One could include a person's...

Seanad: Industrial Development (Science Foundation Ireland) Bill 2002: Committee and Remaining Stages. (11 Feb 2003)

Terry Leyden: The Minister is right to include this section and it is also appropriate. The words "as soon as is practicable" are used in most Bills and provide for unforeseen circumstances that may arise, allowing a certain degree of flexibility. There is no reason the Minister would not bring forward the accounts as quickly as possible, but there has to be some flexibility in Departments in that regard.

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